Please raise and discuss questions about policy on meta. This is not the
place.
Regards,
Thyge
2014-05-28 23:54 GMT+02:00 Wil Sinclair <wllm(a)wllm.com>om>:
Sorry, the n00b has to step in with a couple of
clarifications. :) I
was asking about 2 separate issues, so no conflation there.
Also I asked very carefully for *all* sides of the issues: "Now, I'll
just sit back and hear all sides of the story."
All right, back on topic! :)
,Wil
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Thomas Morton
<morton.thomas(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
Child Protection- I'd like to hear about ways that policy might be
changed here to better protect children, especially given some of the
content on Commons. I'd also like to hear about specific examples of
content on Commons that a parent might not find appropriate for their
children. Note that this is not a repeat of the discussion to
understand what policies are in place, as I have already opened a
specific thread for that.
You seem to have conflated two items here... one is the idea of child
protection, and the other is of objectionable items on commons. I don't
think that in any way works.
Our child protection policies are about protecting children when they
interact online. This is a perennial problem for any internet site, as I
am
sure you know. We do have some policies that help
a lot (for example,
admins always err on the side of caution and delete personal details that
underage editors post). We have avenues to report potential issues such
as
grooming.
Could more be done? Yes, I've thought so; for example publicising the
problem more.
But is WP worse that other communities (note; not site) of similar size?
Probably not. At least not in my experience (which, of course, is pretty
extensive given my former job).
Child protection from porn, etc.? I think it's well established that kids
can come across porn anywhere (apparently, Facebook, if my cousins'
activity on there are anything to go by :S). And frankly, it's never
struck
me as an issue under the umbrella of "xhild
protection".
How far does policing it become our job and not that of a parent? It's a
difficult decision... especially when browser-based content filters are
prevelant and easy to set up.
I've always said; we should educate our users about how to install and
use
content filters, as this will benefit them
outside WP too!
So then, on the flip side of your comment here you have the global issue
of
objectionable images.
This is a much broader issue that the narrow one you're focusing on here.
For example, one of the main (and by main I mean constant and persistent,
beyond any complaints of porn!) complaints we see relate to images of the
prophet mohammed.
How do you, then, feel about Commons hosting images like that?
One of the tenets of the projects are that they are not censored, which I
think is a good thing. However, we've not yet struck a balance between
displaying everything and filtering things an individual doesn't want to
see.
I like the Mohammed example because it emphasises the problem where those
of us who are not Muslim find a subset of images perfectly okay, but a
Muslim might not.
Since I don't have enough experience with the community and WP yet to
discuss controversial topics myself, I will not chime in unless the
thread has very obviously gone off topic. Just to pick an arbitrary
about of time that is more than the few months that others have
mentioned here, let's say that you can only participate in this
discussion if you have at least one year of experience as an active
contributor.
I'm not sure what purpose it serves to bring up controversial topics, in
this forum, with an express note that you have nothing new to bring? ;)
Not to be too critical; but do you imagine that these issues aren't being
discussed on the various projects - hopefully with incremental
improvement
each time. Or that individuals here are not aware
of them?
More than anything though, I'm sure you're an experienced internet chap -
what did you expect to recieve in stirring up two relatively ingrained
"sides"? It wasn't very deft, I have to observe :)
One thing it might be important to communicate is that whilst this list
is
useful for global discussion, it's not a
venue that any agreement or
consensus is reached. So these discussions are really best conducted
on-wiki. I'm not sure if you've actually attempted to open such topics on
any of the projects, but the discussion you appear to be looking for can
really only happen there (rather than here, or IRC, for example).
Regards,
Tom
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