I think that top-level government interference in Wikipedia harms people in
the movement and its mission, especially if the government in question has
a less than stellar press freedom record.
On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 12:10 AM, Cristian Consonni <kikkocristian(a)gmail.com>
2016-03-03 0:15 GMT+01:00 Andreas Kolbe
I don't know Susanna, and in fact until
yesterday had never heard of her.
She may well be a delightful and charming person with a genuine
for open knowledge. There are after all many
encyclopedic topics that
no political sensitivity or relevance at all. But
she is clearly part of
government-sponsored effort to control the
2016-03-03 0:26 GMT+01:00 Risker <risker.wp(a)gmail.com>om>:
Wow, Andreas. That's taking several major
leaps of logic. Sometimes a
cigar is just a cigar. Any reason why you brought these rather
extraordinary assumptions to this mailing list before Susanna had even
a chance to respond to your question at her
2016-03-03 0:33 GMT+01:00 Nathan <nawrich(a)gmail.com>om>:
Is there any actual connection between Susanna
and the high-level
government interest or effort around the Armenian Wikipedia? What I'm
asking is if there is anything here, other than supposition that because
she is Armenian and the Armenian government is interested in Wikipedia
Susanna must be guilty of corruption and
repression by association?
You are making very strong and, what's worse, completely
unsubstantiated accusations towards a person while admitting of not
knowing her, her history and her contributions to the movement.
The only person that thinks that "she [Susanna] is clearly part of a
government-sponsored effort to control the Armenian Wikipedia" is you.
As Risker already noted your reasoning contains majors leaps of logic
and I find that your behavior is frankly appalling. As Nathan said you
have no evidence to support anything of what you have said besides the
fact that Susanna is Armenian.
The FDC reviewed in May 2015 the activities of Wikimedia Armenia in
the APG 2014/2015 round 2  and found all programs to be
volunteer-led and well-aligned with the values and the mission of the
Wikimedia movement. The FDC judged Wikimedia Armenia to be "a
grassroots organization with a strong volunteer base. It is small,
flexible, and able to engage with a wide range of volunteers through
its projects.". The evaluation of the FDC of Wikimedia Armenia was
a praise (and a recommendation for full funding). Not in a single
moment there was the least shred of doubt that the activities of
Wikimedia Armenia could go against the values of the movement. Never
there was even the remote suspicion of Wikimedia Armenia being part of
the government-led "scheme" to oppress people that you are suggesting.
In the occasion of the APG proposal (and besides that, at any time)
there were and there are several avenues to criticize - also
privately and anonymously, if one so needs or wishes - what the
chapter does and what the people in the chapter do and there was not a
single instance of any kind of accusation like the ones that you are
making from nothing.
Your accusation are an insult to all the volunteers in Wikimedia
Armenia, and I think you owe them an apology, especially to Susanna.
I want you to know that I find this behavior to be toxic and that in
my opinion you are harming the people in the movement and its mission.
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