Hoi,
Dear Pine. I do not care a fig about what "some users" think. You either
support their view or you do not. When they consider that the current
number of readers is adequate, I want to appreciate what they think those
numbers are, what the trends are and how it is possible that their opinion
is so starkly different from the ones I know about. Readership is down on
computers and the current numbers are only supported because of tablets and
mobiles. The same thing can be said about new editors; they are mainly
arriving from mobiles and tablets.
Even "old timers" like myself loudly HATE the old crappy interface. So I am
really displeased that you voice what "some users" think; as far as I am
concerned it is "weasel talk". You either support the voices of "some
users" or you do not. When you do, say so and argue. Do not let it hang in
the air as if it has nothing to do with you.
Pine I know you know about research.. You know the numbers, you know how to
get them where to ask. You do not have an excuse.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 1 September 2014 09:34, Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The difficulty of working with multiple configurations
is one of WMF's main
points, along with its opinion that readers prefer MV and that WMF should
prioritize what WMF feels the readers want. WMF also is making a point of
claiming soveriegnty over software configuration.
Meanwhile, many volunteers seem to view readership numbers as adequate with
the status quo, do not believe that MV adds value, disagree with the
design of Media Viewer, and are angered by WMF's undemocratic conduct and
arrogant comments.
This kind of situation is unlikely to have a happy ending without some
concessions and mediation.
Pine
On Aug 31, 2014 11:32 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hoi,
The argument is not at all about the MediaViewer. It is only the latest
flash point. Consequently the notion of how hard it is to set a default
on
or off is not relevant really.
When you read the Wikipedia Signpost you read about one of the major
German
players and it is found necessary to mention that
his "tools" environment
was ended and it became WMF labs. For me it gives the impression of sour
grapes and a sense of failure because volunteers do not decide the agenda
and feel angry/frustrated about that.
Consequently my conclusion that it is not about the MediaViewer at all.
The
next thing that comes along will be the next
flash point. This is because
it is emotions that speak and not arguments.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 1 September 2014 08:11, Martijn Hoekstra <martijnhoekstra(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Aug 31, 2014 11:46 PM, "Pine W" <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Just in terms of the amount of everyone's time that MediaViewer,
> > Superprotect
> > and related issues are absorbing, this situation is a net negative
for
> the
> > projects.
> > Also, the amount of emotional hostility that this situation involves
is
>
disheartening.
> Personally, I would like to see us building on each other's work
instead
> of
> > feuding,
> > and I'm getting MediaViewer issue fatigue.
> >
> > WMF's principal argument against letting projects make local
decisions
>
about
> configurations of MediaViewer seems to be that having a multitude of
site
> > configurations is impractical for site maintainability and
development
of
> > new
> > features. The Technical Committee would be in a good position to make
> global
> > decisions on a consensus basis.
> >
> > Pine
>
> I've heard the argument that it is difficult to maintain and develop
for
having
different default states of this setting across different
projects,
> and frankly, I'm not buying it, unless the setting is intended to be
> removed completely.
>
> Could someone explain to me how having a different default state for
the
> setting has much, or any, impact?
>
> - Martijn
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