Wikimedia-l September 2020

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Moderation notice
by Asaf Bartov 13 Sep '20

13 Sep '20

Dear Wikimedians, List subscriber Dan Szymborski has been placed under moderation, due to posts with unacceptable language. I remind everyone that criticism is appropriate and welcome on this list, so long as it remains civil and respectful of the people involved. Asaf (volunteer capacity) on behalf of Wikimedia-l list moderators -- Asaf Bartov <asaf.bartov(a)gmail.com>

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Foundation and affiliates disclosing salaries on job ads & the effect of this on workplace equity
by Chris Keating 13 Sep '20

13 Sep '20

Good morning everyone! There's a campaign(1) for nonprofits to disclose the salaries, or at least salary ranges, on job ads. An increasing body of evidence(2) shows that practices like not disclosing expected pay, and requiring applicants to disclose their current salary, is harmful to equity in the workplace. Not disclosing salaries affects pay levels within the organisation - because white men are usually relatively confident in negotiating their salaries upwards, so tend to end up with a better deal. It can also affect the diversity of candidates who apply. Candidates who have stronger networks within the industry they're moving into (again, more commonly white men with privileged social and educational backgrounds) also have clear expectations because they are 'in the know' about industry norms, while people who don't, find the lack of salary information a barrier to application. (After all, why take the time and effort to apply for a job when you have no idea how the likely pay compares to your current employment?) I know practices vary within the movement - I believe the WMF never mentions salaries on ads, and I don't know whether the range is disclosed to applicants or not - some chapters I know do advertise a salary. However, I'd urge all entities within the movement that hire staff to disclose the expected salary ranges for posts they are advertising, as part of their commitment to equality, diversity and inclusion. Thanks for reading, Chris (1): https://showthesalary.com/ (2): e.g. at https://showthesalary.com/resources/

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review
by Paul J. Weiss 12 Sep '20

12 Sep '20

To expand on the last part of my previous post, one of the things that Peter and other posters are doing that is problematic in my eyes is phrasing their opinions as fact. It is quite clear to me why Dan was put on moderation. So it is a false statement to say that "this is patently unclear". I believe that opinion should be stated as such. When I see opinion being spun as fact, I am less interested in reading the rest of such a message, and that writer loses credibility in my eyes. Paul --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review From: "Peter Southwood" <peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net> Date: 9/11/20 4:20 am To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> In that case, can we please have an explanation of exactly how the relevant text was found to be inappropriate, as this is patently unclear, and apparently the reason for all this debate. I have my own speculation, but as it is speculation, it would be inappropriate to publicise unless there is no official explanation. Cheers, Peter -----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Asaf Bartov Sent: 11 September 2020 11:46 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review No, it is not "forbidden words" that are the problem, and we have no intention of maintaining a list. We expect list subscribers to maintain civil discourse, which does include avoiding vulgarity, and expressing oneself with respect to both one's interlocutors (or addressees of criticism) and the broader audience. Happily, this is something more than 99 percent of subscribers manage to do without effort. As I have repeatedly clarified, respectful discourse absolutely does not preclude criticism. Indeed, it is liable to make the criticism more likely to be heard. A. On Fri, 11 Sep 2020, 12:26 Peter Southwood <peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net> wrote: > Is there somewhere we can refer to the list of offensive and unacceptable > expressions, and how they are determined? > Cheers, > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On > Behalf > Of Anders Wennersten > Sent: 11 September 2020 10:33 > To: wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review > > There are many of us on this list who have given the feedback we find > that expression offensive and unacceptable. > > Do not forget the readers of this list comes from may different cultures > and if you and the people close to you find it "acceptable" it is not a > valid judgment for all, and why do you want us to leave this list just > so you can use a language like that. (I certainly would if that was > accepted as a norm) > > The language on this list is English, it means we non-native have to > adjust our entries to a unfamiliar language. It mean we have to limit > our means of expression (we will not be experts on nuances). You who > are native English speaker have all the advantages, would it then be too > hard for you to adjust you language to what is acceptable to us others? > > Anders > > > Den 2020-09-11 kl. 09:31, skrev Benjamin Ikuta: > > > > Please, enlighten me. > > > > > > > > On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:39 PM, Ziko van Dijk <zvandijk(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Am Fr., 11. Sept. 2020 um 08:07 Uhr schrieb Benjamin Ikuta > >> <benjaminikuta(a)gmail.com>: > >>> Is there some context that makes this much worse than it seems, or do I > have a deeply flawed understanding of civility? > >> Well, are you open to consider the possibility that the latter might > >> theoretically be the case, at least partially? > >> Kind regards > >> Ziko > >> > >> > >> > >>> a.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review
by Natacha Rault 12 Sep '20

12 Sep '20

Hi, This has just been published on the Mozilla community blog by Emma Irwin and I thought it could interest some of you here. https://blog.mozilla.org/community/2020/09/10/weaving-safety-into-the-fabri… It brings insight into the experience of enforcing a code of conduct in an open source community. Wikilove! Nattes à chat Envoyé de mon iPhone > Le 12 sept. 2020 à 05:23, Zainan Zhou (a.k.a Victor) <zzn(a)zzn.im> a écrit : > > > I might be wrong, but I couldn't help noticing some disagreements of whether we should have a Universal CoC lies in the different mindset of how conflicts should be governed, just like legal systems of Common Laws vs Civil Laws. > > >> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 9:25 AM Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: >> {{trigger warning : French joke included}} >> >> Dear Pete, let me explain why this is problematic. >> >> First I am sorry to say there is no hidden agenda or awful witchery plot to uncover including WMF influence. I have myself severely criticised the WMF in the course of the branding process (and was never scolded for that so I think we can express criticism). Maybe not all the time, maybe not just in any format. >> >> I made the initial comment, and no one pushed me into. If it has offended people, I am sorry, maybe I should in effect have reached out to Dan privately first. Dan I am sorry of the attention, your wording is being given, and I would like us to move on, as suggested by Alphos to a more constructive debate. >> >> Pete, because your are asking repeatedly for clarification and only because of that, what I have learned from my #black lives matter friends, it that s not my obligation to educate you on why this is problematic. In fact when you ask for clarifications, you are putting pressure on people who find the use of disrespectful language a problem instead of asking why the initial comment had to include flatulistic scenery (and this for French speakers has nothing to do with Brice de Nice’s expression « ça farte » see for reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhZ_kkVzx18 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhZ_kkVzx18>) which blurrs the actual meaning behind the criticisml, especially for people whose language is not English in the first place. Then one could argue that it is targeting people of an institution. Full stop. >> >> I wish to move on to why I believe spaces should be moderated, which basically would mean enforcing a code of conduct, that many members of our community have been asking for for years. >> >> « As I am a nice guy » I will give a few ressources explaining why I think lists, and wikimedia spaces should be moderated. Basically it is because you can : >> >> 1- allow free roaming speech and leaving agressive behaviours unchecked creating a space where only certain social groups are over represented but thus you can’t claim to be designing the sum of all human knowledge >> >> OR >> >> 2 - design free open source inclusive spaces that are allowing anyone to participate but you then have to moderate content because, people have different « cultures" and may not understand what offends others, there is a learning curve. >> >> Here is a timeline of incidents https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_incidents#2018for <https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_incidents#2018for> >> >> This time line of incidents is often cited by women as a reason for having OS code of conducts (which includes moderation of mailing lists most of the time) >> >> History tells us, that in the early internet days, the first experiments of virtual spaces encountered less harassment and more women. This is told in the following book : https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35953464-broad-band <https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35953464-broad-band>, where the story of Stacy Horn and how she actually designed the Esat Coast Hanger (ECHO) see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacy_Horn <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacy_Horn> is detailed. Why? Because Stacy Horn moderated each chan and reached out to every member that left the community so that she would eventually know about abusive behaviours and document it. >> >> Designing a safe space does not mean you cannot address just any topic, it just means that you do so paying attention to how you treat potential readers, and contributors to create a discussion that is actually evolving around the subject, and not the format of it. >> >> A 2018 incident about wether or not a joke should be removed https://lwn.net/Articles/753646/ <https://lwn.net/Articles/753646/> questions wether there is a need for a safe space or not in open source projects. I’m taking this example, because it shows how power and privilege iin a community can be used to influence « keeping a joke that is upsetting to some ». >> >> So the question of « censorship » is central, but it usually has a pending side : who is silenced, whose voice is not being heard? I like the way the Django FAQ adresses the problem of « censorship » in a community >> >> https://www.djangoproject.com/conduct/faq/ <https://www.djangoproject.com/conduct/faq/> >> >> Quote from the above : >> This is censorship! I have the right to say whatever I want >> >> You do -- in your space. If you'd like to hang out in our spaces (as clarified above), we have some simple guidelines to follow. If you want to, for example, form a group where Django is discussed using language inappropriate for general channels then nobody's stopping you. We respect your right to establish whatever codes of conduct you want in the spaces that belong to you. Please honor this Code of Conduct in our spaces. >> >> >> https://web.archive.org/web/20141109123859/http://speakup.io/coc.html <https://web.archive.org/web/20141109123859/http://speakup.io/coc.html> >> >> Quote from the above : >> >> It's important to remember that a community where people feel uncomfortable or threatened is not a productive one >> >> >> If people do not know how to issue gracefully formulated criticism, we should have ressources to them to study, maybe even courses on non violent communication. >> >> >> So I hope I have provided {{useful}} context and I will not answer anymore so that we can move on to something else. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Nattes >> >> >> >> > Le 11 sept. 2020 à 13:29, Peter Southwood <peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net> a écrit : >> > >> > There was no clear statement of "this is the problematic text and this is why it is considered unacceptable", which is a thing that I consider a reasonable expectation, as it is possible to learn from it, understand it, pass constructive criticism or agreement, and use as it a precedent for future expectations. >> > Cheers, >> > Peter >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Adam Wight >> > Sent: 11 September 2020 11:56 >> > To: wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review >> > >> >> Is there somewhere we can refer to the list of offensive and unacceptable >> >> expressions, and how they are determined? >> > >> > There were been several explanations already. It's possible to use mild >> > words in a cruel way, for example a father telling their child "You've >> > always had beans for brains." Editors are aware of this simple truth >> > and any feigned outrage must be disingenuous. >> > >> > It's interesting that I've voiced some extremely harsh criticism of the >> > WMF, even suggesting that the editors form a union and sue for control >> > of the Board, yet I've never once been moderated. Had my job threatened >> > perhaps, but never blocked. >> > >> > The point here is that petty hostility only achieves the goal of >> > creating an unpleasant and unwelcoming environment. If you (speaking to >> > the people here who are critical of the UCoC) want to make real change, >> > please organize yourselves somewhere else, come up with a coherent >> > argument, and present it here. The constant attrition of "why can't I >> > say 'fart'?" is tiresome and dilutes any conversation of substance. >> > >> > Kind regards, >> > U:Adamw >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> > New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> > https://www.avg.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> > New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

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[Wikimedia Announcements] This Month in GLAM: August 2020
by The 'This Month in GLAM' team 12 Sep '20

12 Sep '20

*This Month in GLAM* is a monthly newsletter documenting recent happenings within the GLAM project, such as content donations, residencies, events and more. GLAM is an acronym of *G*alleries, *L*ibraries, *A*rchives and *M*useums. You can find more information on the project at glamwiki.org. *This Month in GLAM – Issue VIII, Volume X – August 2020* ------------------------------ Albania report: Wikivoyage edit-a-thon - Editing Albania and Kosovo’s travel destinations http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Contents/Alb… <https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Contents/Al…> Brazil report: Open innovation and dissemination activities: wrapping up great achievements on a major GLAM in Brazil http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Contents/Bra… <https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Contents/Br…> Czech Republic report: First Prague Wiki Editathon held in Prague http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Contents/Cze… <https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Contents/Cz…> Estonia report: Virtual exhibition about Polish-Estonian relations. Rephotography and cultural heritage http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Contents/Est… <https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Contents/Es…> Germany report: KulTour in Swabia and 8000 documents new online http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Contents/Ger… <https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Contents/Ge…> India report: Utilising Occasion for Content donation: A story http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Contents/Ind… <https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Contents/In…> Netherlands report: WMIN & WMNL collaboration & Japanese propaganda films http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Contents/Net… <https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Contents/Ne…> Serbia report: Enriching Wiki projects in different ways http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Contents/Ser… <https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Contents/Se…> Sweden report: Free music and new recordings of songs in the public domain; Autumn in the libraries; Yes, you can hack the heritage this year – online! http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Contents/Swe… <https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Contents/Sw…> Uganda report: Participating in the African Librarians Week (24-30 May 2020) http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Contents/Uga… <https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Contents/Ug…> UK report: Spanish metal and ... http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Contents/UK_… <https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Contents/UK…> USA report: Wiknic & Black Artists Matter & Respect Her Crank http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Contents/USA… <https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Contents/US…> WMF GLAM report: Wikipedia Library, new WikiCite grant programs, and GLAM office hours http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Contents/WMF… <https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Contents/WM…> Calendar: September's GLAM events http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Contents/Eve… <https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Contents/Ev…> ------------------------------ About *This Month in GLAM* http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/About <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/About> Single page view http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Single <https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/August_2020/Single> Twitter http://twitter.com/ThisMonthinGLAM <https://twitter.com/ThisMonthinGLAM> Add your story / Work on the next edition http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/Newsroom <https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/Newsroom> -- Romaine For the *This Month in GLAM* team http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter _______________________________________________ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l _______________________________________________ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list WikimediaAnnounce-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review
by Paul J. Weiss 12 Sep '20

12 Sep '20

I for one very much appreciate that the moderators put Dan on moderation. I support sanctions for insulting and rude behavior. Peter--if you are looking for exact, quantitative criteria, you aren't going to get it. This is about impact of communication on the receiver, not specific words used by the sender. I know that I sometimes come across as being uncivil and/or disrespectful. I appreciate when someone points out a specific example, because that provides me an opportunity to change to more civil- and respectful-sounding communication, which will have a better chance of succeeding (in whatever the purpose of my communication is). Many posters seem, like Peter, to want quantitative, legalistic, binary "right/wrong" guidance. Considering the gender identities "man" and "woman", this preference is more typical of men than women in "Western" civilization. Many women (and some men) prefer more qualitative, contextual, nuanced guidance. (I don't know prevalences for other gender identities.) I think it is important to understand that our personal preference is not automatically the preference of others. Personally, I hope the moderators are considering moderation for several posters beyond Dan. Paul --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review From: "Asaf Bartov" <asaf.bartov(a)gmail.com> Date: 9/11/20 2:46 am To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> No, it is not "forbidden words" that are the problem, and we have no intention of maintaining a list. We expect list subscribers to maintain civil discourse, which does include avoiding vulgarity, and expressing oneself with respect to both one's interlocutors (or addressees of criticism) and the broader audience. Happily, this is something more than 99 percent of subscribers manage to do without effort. As I have repeatedly clarified, respectful discourse absolutely does not preclude criticism. Indeed, it is liable to make the criticism more likely to be heard. A. On Fri, 11 Sep 2020, 12:26 Peter Southwood <peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net> wrote: > Is there somewhere we can refer to the list of offensive and unacceptable > expressions, and how they are determined? > Cheers, > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On > Behalf > Of Anders Wennersten > Sent: 11 September 2020 10:33 > To: wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review > > There are many of us on this list who have given the feedback we find > that expression offensive and unacceptable. > > Do not forget the readers of this list comes from may different cultures > and if you and the people close to you find it "acceptable" it is not a > valid judgment for all, and why do you want us to leave this list just > so you can use a language like that. (I certainly would if that was > accepted as a norm) > > The language on this list is English, it means we non-native have to > adjust our entries to a unfamiliar language. It mean we have to limit > our means of expression (we will not be experts on nuances). You who > are native English speaker have all the advantages, would it then be too > hard for you to adjust you language to what is acceptable to us others? > > Anders > > > Den 2020-09-11 kl. 09:31, skrev Benjamin Ikuta: > > > > Please, enlighten me. > > > > > > > > On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:39 PM, Ziko van Dijk <zvandijk(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Am Fr., 11. Sept. 2020 um 08:07 Uhr schrieb Benjamin Ikuta > >> <benjaminikuta(a)gmail.com>: > >>> Is there some context that makes this much worse than it seems, or do I > have a deeply flawed understanding of civility? > >> Well, are you open to consider the possibility that the latter might > >> theoretically be the case, at least partially? > >> Kind regards > >> Ziko > >> > >> > >> > >>> a.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

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Wikimedia Clinic #010 - Tue Sep 15th 13:00UTC - Abstract Wikipedia
by Asaf Bartov 12 Sep '20

12 Sep '20

Dear Wikimedians, This is an update from the Wikimedia Clinics series.[1] On Tuesday, September 15th, at 13:00 UTC[2], we will be hosting Wikimedia Clinic #010.[3] The scheduled segment this time would be an introduction to Abstract Wikipedia, featuring project founder Denny Vrandečić himself! As always, beyond this scheduled segment, there will be time to bring up any Wikimedia-related questions or topics other call attendees are interested in. Hope to see you there! A. [1] Wikimedia Clinics are live video calls hosted by the Community Development team, as a way to keep in touch during the pandemic, and offer an opportunity to ask questions, share recent work, brainstorm ideas, etc. In addition to whatever topics attendees bring up on the spot, there is a pre-schedule segment in each call. Read more at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Clinics [2] this time, the time of day was chosen to accommodate the ESEAP region, in particular. [3] Google Meet[4] link: https://meet.google.com/dsd-rypz-xjf [4] Our experiment using Jitsi-based Wikimedia Meet resulted in a clear conclusion that it is not a suitable platform for Wikimedia Clinic calls, as it cannot reliable handle more than about 10 people, as we learned the hard way at Clinic #009. Asaf Bartov (he/him/his) Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org

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A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review
by Patrick Earley 12 Sep '20

12 Sep '20

Hello, everyone. We are excited to share a draft of the Universal Code of Conduct <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct>, which the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees called for earlier this year <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/May_…>, for your review and feedback. The discussion will be open until October 6, 2020. The UCoC Drafting Committee <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee>wants to learn which parts of the draft would present challenges for you or your work. What is missing from this draft? What do you like, and what could be improved? Many thanks to the Committee, and everyone who has helped with translations so far. Please join the conversation <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Draft_review> and share this email with others who may be interested to join, too. To learn more about the UCoC project, see the Universal Code of Conduct page <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct>, and the FAQ <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/FAQ>, on Meta. [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/May_… [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Draft_review [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/FAQ -- Patrick Earley Policy Manager, Trust and Safety Wikimedia Foundation pearley(a)wikimedia.org

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New board of Wikimedia Chile / Nuevo directorio de Wikimedia Chile
by Rocío Consales 11 Sep '20

11 Sep '20

[*Spanish below*] Comrades: I hope everyone is in good health. I write to inform you of the update of the Wikimedia Chile board. I have submitted my resignation to the presidency, since I obtained a scholarship to study in Spain. The new president of WMCL is Carlos Figueroa, whom the whole team has great esteem and confidence in to continue with the multiple projects that the chapter has ahead. Luis Cristóbal Carrasco, a very enthusiastic member, who we know will be a great contribution to this administration, joins the board. The new board consists of: President: Carlos Figueroa Vicepresident: Marco Correa Secretary: Claudio Loader Treasurer: Osmar Valdebenito Board member: Dennis Tobar Board member: Luis Cristóbal Carrasco The team is fully aware of the lack of gender diversity in the board, but it has been done and will continue to work with the commitment to solve this problem in the near future. The work related to reducing the gender gap has been transversal in all our activities and in the administrations of our chapter, and we sincerely hope as a team that the steps that have been taken in that direction will soon bear fruit. It only remains for me to thank the trust placed in me by the partners and the entire team, and wish the best of success to the new structure of the board of directors. Sincerely, Rocío Consales ___________________________________ Camaradas: Espero que todos se encuentren bien de salud. Escribo para informar la actualización del directorio de Wikimedia Chile. He presentado mi renuncia a la presidencia, ya que obtuve una beca para estudiar en España. El nuevo presidente de WMCL es Carlos Figueroa, a quien todo el equipo le tiene una gran estima y confianza para seguir adelante con los múltiples proyectos que el capítulo tiene por delante. Ingresa al directorio Luis Cristóbal Carrasco, socio muy entusiasta que sabemos será un gran aporte a esta administración. El nuevo directorio se compone por: Presidente: Carlos Figueroa Vicepresidente: Marco Correa Secretario: Claudio Loader Tesorero: Osmar Valdebenito Director: Dennis Tobar Director Luis Cristóbal Carrasco El equipo está completamente consciente de la falta de diversidad de género en el directorio, pero se ha hecho y seguirá trabajando con el compromiso de solventar este problema en el futuro próximo. El trabajo relacionado a disminuir la brecha de género ha sido transversal en todas nuestras actividades y en las administraciones de nuestro capítulo, y esperamos sinceramente como equipo que los pasos que se han dado en esa dirección pronto rindan frutos. Solo me queda agradecer la confianza depositada en mí por los socios y todo el equipo, y desear el mayor de los éxitos a la nueva estructura de la junta directiva. Un abrazo, Rocío Consales

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New Wikimedia Chile Board
by Carlos Figueroa Rojas 11 Sep '20

11 Sep '20

Dear all, Due to the resignation of the chair Rocío Consales, a new Wikimedia Chile board was appointed for the remainder of the term 2019-2021. The positions were filled as follows: - Carlos Figueroa, Chair; - Marco Correa: Vicechair; - Claudio Loader, Secretary; - Osmar Valdebenito, Treasurer; - Dennis Tobar, Director: - Cristóbal Carrasco, Director. We are very grateful for Rocío's service these years, and we wish you all the best. Best regards, *Carlos Figueroa* Chair - Wikimedia Chile

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