If the transition team declined the entire first panel of candidates
I think we can AGF that they're being careful.
Also, it's wrong to take out current complaints with WMF on
the executive candidates who may want to make positive
change.
Pine
> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 11:31:45 +0000
> From: Andrew Gray <andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk>
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] My choice for ED
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> To me, these proposals always sound a bit like:
>
> "We want this person to be resilient and good-humoured. So we're going to
> punch all our possible candidates in the face a few times and see where
> they want to go from there."
>
> I know that's not the intention, but it's certainly the plausible effect...
>
> Andrew.
>
> On Monday, 3 February 2014, Martijn Hoekstra
> <martijnhoekstra(a)gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','martijnhoekstra(a)gmail.com');>>
> wrote:
>
> > I understand your reasoning, but we already have an extremely difficult
> > time finding a suitable candidate. While such community vetting would
> > definitely weed out the people we don't want, it will also slim down the
> > pool we do want, which currently sits around a cool 0. I don't think we
> > can afford that either.
> > On Feb 1, 2014 4:47 PM, "Todd Allen" <toddmallen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm sure dismissively calling people's legitimate concerns "playing with
> > > (a) toy" will help greatly in that regard.
> > >
> > > If someone's going to apply for a job where they'll be scrutinized by a
> > > large volunteer community, it is not unreasonable to determine if they
> > can
> > > withstand that type of scrutiny by a real world test, nor to find whether
> > > they'll be responsive and direct to concerns brought up when that
> > happens.
> > > The community has had enough of "diplomatic" null statements with lots of
> > > words, and should be. Someone needs to give an answer, not just blather
> > on
> > > and wind up saying nothing concrete at all.
> > >
> > > It is right for the community to be fed up with that and demand that a
> > > candidate go through that process. Yes, it would be hard. Yes, it would
> > > discourage some applicants. Those are the applicants we want to
> > discourage.
> > > We want someone who fits well with our particular project, and who will
> > be
> > > responsive and direct with our volunteer community. They are the
> > > underpinnings of every project WMF undertakes.
> > >
> > > Todd Allen
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Tony Souter <tony1(a)iinet.net.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Folks: are we still playing with this toy?
> > > >
> > > > I've sat here and watched this discourse - variously frivolous,
> > slightly
> > > > insulting, and embarrassing - and said nothing in the hope it would
> > just
> > > > fizzle away.
> > > >
> > > > But amazingly, it's still here.
> > > >
> > > > We have to accept that while crowdsourcing is the genius of Wikipedia
> > and
> > > > a few of its sister projects, it's totally inappropriate for choosing
> > the
> > > > executive director of a big, prominent Foundation that lives in a
> > > > competitive, complex, and often negative jungle. There's a bunch of
> > > reasons
> > > > for doing this largely away from the gaze of the rest of the world. Do
> > I
> > > > really need to spell them out?
> > > >
> > > > It would be good to move on to more useful and practical topics.
> > > >
> > > > Tony
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 02/02/2014, at 1:32 AM, Benjamin Lees <emufarmers(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 3:29 AM, ENWP Pine <deyntestiss(a)hotmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Chad, I wonder if Rory has been considered. (:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > > Given his history of biting newbies, I'm not sure he'd be in a good
> > > > > position to help solve the editor retention problem.
> > > > > _______________________________________________
