Brandon, Howie, Fabrice and I will be holding a second Office Hours session
on the new Article Feedback Tool on Thursday 3 November. This will be at
24:00 UTC, which works out at 4pm PST and 11pm GMT. This timing is designed
to allow east coast editors, who would be at work during the normal time
periods, to attend. I hope to see you all there :).
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> On 10/29/11 12:40 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> There have been LOADS of opportunities where the community
> is asked, begged to be involved in what will be the way forward. The most
> obvious opportunity has been the Strategy project. At this time the
> Wikimedia Foundation is looking for all sorts of volunteers
> that are asked to help determine what future functionality will be like.
> Specifically I want to mention the need for "language
> support teams" and volunteers for our mobile development.
> The position of the WMF as I know it is that it wants very much an
> involved community. To be effective, it is important for
> the community to be involved early in the process.
Sadly the foundation is only able to communicate their wishes when she wants to.
The fundraiser banner is always pushed into all communities, we cannot ignore it.
Other subjects are more or less hidden in meta and discussed in English only.
Vector and the Filter are the latest examples, which caused some resistance.
The changes of the terms is another one. The German version was published at the end of the discussion on meta.
And there was definetely no announcement like: "Hey, it's time to collect some money" on all pages.
So dont tell us again we are too late.
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Since it hasn't really been mentioned, I just wanted to point out that this
image, never before available to the public in high resolution, was uploaded
to Commons as a result of our ongoing cooperative efforts with the US
National Archives (i.e., my residency). Its copyright status was listed as
unrestricted in the National Archives' online catalog, where the scaled-down
image has been displayed for several years without (apparently) any
incident. Of course, these copyright statuses can often use a second look,
and I am happy for it to get the extra scrutiny at Commons, especially one
as complex as this. I don't have any extra insight to offer copyright-wise,
and am interested to see the community's decision.
However, I would also like to take the opportunity to talk about the broader
effort here, which I think is more important than one image of Mickey Mouse
from a war poster, as symbolic as that is. Beginning in July, I began an
effort, in collaboration with NARA staff, to quite literally upload the
entire National Archives library of digital content in high resolution. The
National Archives—with billions of pages of records, tens of millions of
photographs, and hundreds of thousands more sound recordings, videos, and
artifacts—has hundreds of thousands of digital images in their catalog,
nearly all of which is in the public domain. The 60,000 uploaded so far
include thousands more posters like the Mickey one from the WWII and WWI
era; historically significant photography from Mathew Brady, Dorothea Lange,
Ansel Adams, and other notable photographers; photos of Native Americans, of
the Depression, of the national parks and the environment, of the Civil
Rights Movement, of presidents and their activities, and of every US war
from the Civil War to Vietnam, including incredible manufacturing and
Japanese internment scenes from the home front in WWII; ultra high-res TIFFs
(~150 MB) of the Declaration of Independence and other founding documents;
other textual documents, including historical maps, laws, court records,
census cards, and the letters of diverse personalities, from Susan B.
Anthony to Albert Einstein to Winston Churchill to Elvis Presley; and even
other oddities like an ancient Roman bust, a Remington statue, ancient
Chinese terracotta soldiers, a Diego Rivera painting, bullets and other
evidence from the JFK assassination, a First Lady's evening gown, and a
ceremonial Beninese wooden headdress(!).
This is a huge task, and it requires a community effort to help categorize
images, to use them in Wikipedia articles, to transcribe them on Wikisource,
and just generally show them some love. If finding Mickey Mouse in the
National Archives means anything, hopefully it's that this is a diverse and
significant, and sometimes surprising, collection that deserves more care
and attention—especially since many cultural institutions, domestically and
internationally, are following the project with interest. For more
information, check out the partnerships page on Commons <
and its sister WikiProjects on Wikipedia and Wikisource, linked in the tab
 See the upload feed at <
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:31:07 -0700
> From: Brandon Harris <bharris(a)wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] On certain shallow, American-centered,
> foolish software initiatives backed by WMF
> To: foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> Message-ID: <4EAB2D2B.3020803(a)wikimedia.org>
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> On 10/28/11 3:27 PM, Etienne Beaule wrote:
> > It's disabled on certain wikis because of technical problems.
> Oh? I wasn't aware that it had been disabled anywhere as yet.
> WikiLove was not rolled out "en mass"; the policy for deployment of
> tool is that it is by request only, and the requesting wiki must:
> a) Make sure the tool is localized (via TranslateWiki);
> b) Make sure they have a local configuration; and
> c) Show community consensus.
> So if it was enabled and then *disabled*, I have not heard of this.
> there a bug report I can look to? Or if you know of a wiki where this
> is the case, I can do a search.
> Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation
> Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
Good to hear that wikilove is only going in on wikis where there is
consensus for it. Can anyone give me a link to the discussion that
established consensus on EN wikipedia? The nearest I could find was
Just posted the lastest results from last Friday's test on meta. We got in
some new editor appeals and different banners, take a look:
Head of Annual Fundraiser
I am pleased to announce that Casey and I have chosen Barras as a new
IRC Group Contact. He is an experienced and trusted user and we think he
is going to fit in the team nicely. He will join our team effective
On behalf of the Group Contacts,
Personally, I find the whole "WikiLove" extension to be a bit naff and
schmaltzy. I'm generally not thrilled when I get a WikiLove kitten or
anything, just like I'm not touched that my local member of Parliament has
thought to send me a form letter about how hard they're working for me.
It's harmless enough though, I just choose to ignore it.
With that said though, if a particular project community decides they don't
want it, why should it be forced upon them? I think this principle should
apply to *all* extensions, not just "harmless" or "global improvement" ones.
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:57:25 +0300
> From: Mateus Nobre <mateus.nobre(a)live.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Show community consensus for Wikilove
> To: <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <SNT121-W28CDC17A85796201E442FEBFD00(a)phx.gbl>
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Why any Wikipedia would not want the Wikilove feature?
This is inconsistent for me. Wikilove's a global improvement, there's no
reason to disagree improvements.
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> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 12:31:24 -0300
> From: betienne(a)bellaliant.net
> To: foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Show community consensus for Wikilove
> But if we enable it at a wiki that doesn't want it, there could be a
> boycott, and vandals just get the place up to there "code". It would be
> very detrimental to wikipedia.
> On 11-10-29 12:27 PM, "Nickanc Wikipedia" <nickanc.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > IMHO, Wikilove is something so important about wikipedia's ethics and
> > behaviour that shall be in every wiki. IMHO.
> > 2011/10/29 WereSpielChequers <werespielchequers(a)gmail.com>:
> >>> Message: 1
> >>> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:31:07 -0700
> >>> From: Brandon Harris <bharris(a)wikimedia.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] On certain shallow, American-centered,
> >>> foolish software initiatives backed by WMF
> >>> To: foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> >>> Message-ID: <4EAB2D2B.3020803(a)wikimedia.org>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >>> On 10/28/11 3:27 PM, Etienne Beaule wrote:
> >>>> It's disabled on certain wikis because of technical problems.
> >>> Oh? I wasn't aware that it had been disabled anywhere as yet.
> >>> WikiLove was not rolled out "en mass"; the policy for
> >>> the
> >>> tool is that it is by request only, and the requesting wiki must:
> >>> a) Make sure the tool is localized (via TranslateWiki);
> >>> b) Make sure they have a local configuration; and
> >>> c) Show community consensus.
> >>> So if it was enabled and then *disabled*, I have not heard of
> >>> Is
> >>> there a bug report I can look to? Or if you know of a wiki where this
> >>> is the case, I can do a search.
> >>> Thanks!
> >>> -b.
> >>> --
> >>> Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation
> >>> Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
> >> Good to hear that wikilove is only going in on wikis where there is
> >> consensus for it. Can anyone give me a link to the discussion that
> >> established consensus on EN wikipedia? The nearest I could find was
> >> ve_33#Thoughts_on_WikiLove.3F
> >> Ta
> >> WerepielChequers
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On 10/31/2011 7:18 PM, foundation-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
> On 10/31/2011 10:09 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
>> > Robin McCain, 31/10/2011 17:20:
>>> >> We must also remember that the wiki edit interface and markup can be a
>>> >> little intimidating to a newbie, so opening an edit window and making no
>>> >> changes may be more common than we think. Are there any stats on this?
>> > Yes, it was something like 70 % of "edit" clicks are not followed by
>> > save. It's difficuilt to tell how many of those were people (or even
>> > stupid bots) looking for the source text.
> For me, the most common reason why an "edit" click is not followed by a
> "save" is because I end up not having the time to complete the work, or
> the edit I had in mind becomes more complicated than I thought
> (sometimes the latter partly explains the former). To put it
> idiomatically, it's a reaction to biting off more than I can chew.
> That may not be entirely typical, but in the sense of "editing proved
> more difficult than anticipated" it probably explains many abortive
> attempts at editing. I suppose it's been suggested before, but I think
> more fine-grained section editing capability, so you can simply
> highlight any portion of an article and open an edit window for just
> that portion, could be helpful.
> --Michael Snow
Unless a page is extremely short, it is a good idea to throw in a few
===section=== headers here and there to make it easier to edit just one
section. I would think that an editors time would be much better spent
adding a few of these to a new entry rather than waste time telling
someone their new topic isn't important enough to be included.
As for the "freeze" you experience, we've all had such moments -
especially when trying to apply for grants online - where every
character counts and you only have one chance to make the maximum
positive impact. I learned a long time ago to write my stuff in a text
editor then cut & paste into a html form for markup - avoids butterflies
in the stomach. :-)