While maybe not the most on-topic post for this list, I felt that I
had to share it with you. MIT's Comparative Media Studies department
(on the web at convergenceculture.com) has a video of Richard
Stallman, "founder of the GNU project and the Free Software Movement"
doing the "Crank That Soulja Boy" dance. Quite possibly the best video
I've ever found on a WMF project. You can view it
http://www.convergenceculture.org/weblog/2007/10/hustling_20_soulja_boy_and…
-Dan
Dan Rosenthal HYPERLINK
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Said, So says you (while, as I've mentioned before the last 5 or 6 topics
you've started have been weeks outdated). Personally, I find this list
to be an effective method of communication between the foundation and
the community. For all the noise, there is quite a good bit of signal
available on this list.
Dan, dan, Casey, Robert, d, Mark,
Thanks for your feedback. You’d appreciate it is much easier for me now to
separate our signals from this thread’s monthly noise, by just staying on
this domain’s one thread. HYPERLINK
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It’s also a doddle to learn how the (roughly) 300 discussions which
compromise this month are headed, in number of posts, by Luiz’s conversation
“A dangerous precedent”. Each post of which seems to have been read by the
same 104. So we can pretty easily surmise (if I’m interpreting it correctly)
that the Foundation list is not attractive to aliens.
Florence asked me, on another WMF list, about forums. So this seemed to be
the best way to demonstrate how the present elists are antiquated. (I’ll
add, re: this list, primarily due to their success). If you can use your
imagination, and we could combine all the English (i.e. 1 language) elists,
you’d imagine gossamer threads would offer a global view of the subject
conversations which are now divided by list, project and month. The most
attended become evident and “lately posted” rise to the top.
To this I would add similar conversations in other domains, like
Wikieducator, which might find their peers if only the WMF were to take the
same approach to their comms as they do their libraries, and put one thread
down, as a wiki does a page, so the Dan’s of this world weren’t led to
believe we are in a race to fill gaps in as short a time as possible.
Like most social foundations, there is a real problem coming to terms with
the concept of a globalizing.org composed, as they are, of global groups. I
can tell you, Rotary, as one old .org, tried very hard by instituting
eclubs. Unfortunately they divided their domains into chapters, as the WMF
has, so they have never grown legs. Their media represent an old way of
socializing; “Head Office” and “its subsidiaries” being a style that fell
out of favour in multinationals years ago.
So if we are trying, like every other foundation, to be inclusive of people
who would participate if they only knew how, then while the comms
infrastructure at HO is being constructed, could a little thought be given
(especially when configuring Asterik) to the global peer-to-peer network
which will be needed to support them. Thanks.
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Guys (particularly Jay),
You will know that this Foundation elist, like all the others, is an
antiquated attempt at sharing communication. They have outlived their
usefulness. As an attempt to discuss and share a conclusion about the issues
affecting WMF projects, they divide insiders from newbies, project community
from project community, and often just generate noise.
Let me prove it to you. Go back to this thread’s archival index and compare
it to this.
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Please note that I simply found this. I have nothing to do with its
conception.
It will help you make sense of the past noise, even if it won’t help us do
the same with the future stuff. For that, we would need to change, and use
some piece of forum software that keeps a discussion on one thread, forever,
as opposed to this threading process, which encourages the attention spans
of gnats, and small fish to stay in a small pond.
I ask you to consider that the strength of Wikmedia projects is that, by
keeping one group of definitions on one page, which never moves, the serious
library builder must classify their thoughts about a subject and keep them
in one spot. The point of their initial communication becomes their archive,
and a point of reference for others with the same thoughts who are looking
for definition. This is what I call “the wiki formula”. It’s about building
libraries of references.
It is no different with our immediate communication, apart from the fact
that a NPOV policy will have us doing nothing new; neutral knowledge having
no interest in its applications. So if this elist IS MEANT to be simply
communication about yesterday, and a place where only opinions can be shared
and decisions never reached, that’s fine. I’m out of here.
But if it’s an attempt to work through the many issues and challenges facing
us as we try and get our heads around interactive media, could we just
attempt to use more (modern) appropriate tools - “appropriate” being the
ones which offer GLOBAL GROUPS ways to find their peers and do things
quicker, easier and cheaper. Building libraries is all very fine, but anyone
can do that, and they all are. We have nothing but inflating global
libraries everywhere.
But knowledge is more about coming to some understanding about pieces of
information, so we need the virtual classrooms in which it may be reached. A
forum like wikiback, which keeps the threads of a discussion together,
counts its posts and readership, and never closes or shifts position, is a
good start. But like a wiki. it needs to be adapted to its communities
Regards, simon
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said,
Relevant because 1) Flickr is calling their new collaboration "The Commons"
(potential for a bit of name confusion there); and 2) didn't we talk to the
Library of Congress about giving similar collections to
us? All the images being donated are public domain though, so no reason why
we couldn't scoop them up, but (as partnerships going) it would be nice to
get a similar one going.
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>>>Thanks for this phoebe. I take it this is a professional librarian
talking, so you’d be used to having your perspective ignored. It’s a pity
you can’t get across that every National Library is a commons, whose
curators, up to now, have classified their physical stuff by geography. We
all know their old habits have them thinking and classifying global digital
things like this HYPERLINK
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framework of an interactive library like Wikipedia might complement National
Libraries. To be fair, it’s because they are trained to classify books
rather than electrons.
You’d appreciate that OCLC, like WMF, as a global .org for librarians, is
having a hell of time trying to figure out what should be the next step in
their reformation. You may have seen Brianna’s thread this month on
“Community representation”, about community representation (“where community
are self elected group of people”) who are interested in meta issues, like
wot hang around this thread. You’ll also know the OCLC approach. HYPERLINK
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rg/memberscouncil/committees/default.htm
I guess we’ll have to wait a while more for the usual infatuation of
duplicating & building bigger libraries starts to wane a bit, and people
start to consider what all their ‘me too’ libraries are for. This question
of course always comes down to a small (self) elected group, advisory board,
BOF, SIG, Council, committee, etc. E.g HYPERLINK
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munities/index.cfm
So a question for you. If we were to treat all forms of groups in the same
manner, as you must with all manner of books. How would you go about
classifying the environment of a global group’s communication, around
subject as opposed to geography (like the WMF chapters are). I’m interested
in what might happen, when I read an (wiki) article, if I could find the
group who justified its existence, and ask its curators for up-to-date
references from whichever meta-format commons they know about.
Perhaps we ought to be considering partnering with Questionpoint rather
than “scooping up” and duplicating. Regards, simon
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In a message dated 1/28/2008 6:48:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dgerard(a)gmail.com writes:
Heh. I'm wondering if really annoying hold music wouldn't be a feature
rather than a problem. Danny, when you were the guy who answered the
phone, what percentage of calls were worth getting?
Worth getting? I thought the ridiculous calls were far more interesting than
the complainers.
How do I help that woman whose backyard was infested with coyotes?
What do I say to the guy who wanted to explain the importance of exfoliation
to all male wikipedians?
Do I put Jimbo in touch with the Council of Elders of Mother Earth-Gaia?
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Hello Florence and Foundation members,
I read, that wikipedia wants to add usergenerated Videos and Movies to the articles.
I want to suggest to do this over the online storage system:
http://offsystem.sf.net
This is a small client, in which users can insert therr media,
after the hashing process they get out a so called OFF-Url-Link, which looks like this:
http://localhost:23402/offsystem/v2/application/pdf/5dca0dbcf990ab61be875ef…
This can easily be added into any wikipedia article.
Because of the http-Characteristic users even can watch the media in the browser, if they are running the offsystem client in the icon tray.
Because the load needs some time, the link should have a "blanket" tag for a pop up window, so that they can wait in the new window while surfin in the other window.
If wikipedia wants to server all media and bandwidth on its own, I doubt, that this is affordable from the financial side. So.. OFF-Links and the Storage in the Online-Hard-Disk might be good.
See the links to some libraries hier:
http://offsystem.sourceforge.net/links.html
A wikipedia libary with offlinks for wikipress will follow. Would you be intersted to start a site for the pdf files as a reference model for the video files?
Thanks for discussing OFF-Url in the Wikipedia for Digital Media.
The Linking of OFF-Url in the Wikipedia could start already tomorrow.
We just need a page or press announcement that this is allowed and a link to the client and maybe a short howto, Furthermore ideally a mouseover over offlinks should make a hint to the Offsystem (maybe someone can work that technically out, if a http-link contains the word "Offsystem" that then a mouseovertag is shown with the sentence: Watch this link after installing the offsystem.)
As I heard, that the server cost a lot and that you cannot evena fford to pey these servers, I think there is no other way to get another youtube into wikimedi as to use this kind of system for a online storage of digital media.
regards Thomas
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I'm hoping for clarification by the foundation on whether or not
by-permission-only works like this may be used. This could soften Jimbo
Wales' previous statement that every image used by permission only must be
deleted immediately (
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2005-May/023760.html), which
would be a big deal. It would place the decision squarely back in the hands
of the English Wikipedia.
It's not that I'm whining that the foundation come to the rescue and tell us
what to do. It's that the foundation has given us an ambiguous statement on
when it is and is not OK to use non-free content. That statement could all
too easily be unilaterally interpreted to forbid any relaxation of the
English Wikipedia's non-free content policy. This has actually happened in
the past:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ANon-free_content&diff…http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Non-free_content&diff=n…
and I would really like for it to not happen in the future.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Remember_the_dot
http://pl.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Wikinews_Press_Photo
I'm told this will be in two rounds to build a shortlist, with some
mechanism to allow voting by any Wikimedian. They've some pretty good
pictures in there too.
Brian McNeil