On 7/11/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023(a)comcast.net> wrote:
> O_O you must be joking. All those languages yourself? You're like a
> one-man translation committee!
[[Ziad_Fazah]]? :-)
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> If there is a real interest I could translate some of the more
> important items on request. I can do dutch, french, german, spanish,
> portuguese, italian, arabic, hebrew, farsi, chinese traditional,
> simplified, and mandarian level on language code-4 or better.
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I'm cross-posting this message to both the foundation-l and the now-defunct
wikimediaus-l lists. Many people here may already be aware of the new
Wikimedia Pennsylvania chapter that is in active development, either from
the various pages that have sprung up on meta from it, from our blog on the
planet, or from word of mouth.
For those who are not aware, We are working to create a local chapter for
the Pennsylvania area. It will be the first state chapter, and possibly the
first north american chapter (unless the canadian chapter can get rolling
before we do). Our chapter is going to be focused primarily on a grass-roots
community outreach effort, in an attempt to drum up both new contributors
and new content consumers. Some of the people we would like to target
initially are public school systems (including the financially-distressed
Philadelphia area school district, which could benefit significantly from a
free textbook alternative), universities, and community organizations. We
would also like to do some fundraising, but the extent to which we have
organized fundraisers is yet to be determined.
We are instituting an open membership policy: No membership fees, and no
residential requirements on membership. Due to the community-oriented
mission of the chapter people from distant areas may have a difficulty
participating, but we do not intend to disenfranchise anybody because of
their geographical location. We are hoping that this policy will help to get
many people involved, will help other state chapters get started, and will
serve as an organizational model for future state chapters.
We have created a new mailinglist for the chapter at wikimediapa-l. We have
an irc chatroom on freenode (#Wikimedia-pa), and a homepage on meta:
[[meta:Wikimedia Philadelphia]]. People who are interested in more
information can turn to any of these sources. We will be submitting the
first draft of our bylaws to the chapters committee soon (hopefully in a
week or two) and are already looking at the paperwork to become 503(c)
(although that step will be saved for the future when we see how well the
chapter is working out).
--Andrew Whitworth
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THURNER rupert wrote
>
not
>many people outside the us is aware what pa means, and this is 95% of the
>worlds population.
>
I know what it means (I'm from the UK).
Alex (Majorly)
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No matter what we decide to do, we are going to endlessly second-guess
ourselves, and there are going to be people complaining about every
decision. Having a pennsylvania chapter is, in my eyes, a good compromise
between people who want to have chapters based on metropolitan areas, and
people who want to think bigger like a regional ("Mid-Atlantic") or even a
USA national chapter.
The fact is that we have put plenty of time and effort into this plan, and
we are going to be sticking to our plan of a state-based at this point, come
hell or high water. The people who are actually doing the planning work on
this are all interested in a state chapter, and we have the blessing of the
chapcom too.
If other USA-local chapters want to organize themselves along different
boundaries, that's fine and dandy. I don't think necessarily that our first
experiment in making a USA-local chapter should become the definite standard
for all possible future chapters. That in mind, the chapter that we create
will certainly not be immutable, and we can alter it as necessary.
The important part in all this is the organization of members into a
powerful outreach group. In person, as a team, we will be able to attract
readers, writers, and (most importantly) cash donors in much higher
quantities then we can possibly do in a disorganized fasion. More important
then thinking about the exact geographical location of the chapter is to
start planning what we will be doing, and how we will be doing that.
Compared to this, whether we are "pennsylvania", or "philadelphia", or
whatever is irrelevant.
We're moving ahead with the pennsylvania chapter as is. Hopefully, our
actions and our successes will lay all concerns to rest.
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in irc, url's, mailing-list you use "pa", like "de", "pl", "fr". everything
is iso country code, but "pa" should not be? imo this is bad practice. not
many people outside the us is aware what pa means, and this is 95% of the
worlds population.
is there any possibility to vote for "leave iso country codes for countries"
or "do not discriminate poors in advance"?
as there seems to be some misunderstanding about "why do chapters exist":
in europe it was mostly a legal thing, for tax exemption, bank transfers,
but also to "have a phone number which might be called". and especially in
germany this is used heavily. btw, germany is three times california and
four times texas, florida, ny. france two times texas ... as its not trees
who are calling but people ;)
rupert.
On 7/12/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Can you explain what you mean? How did we block your country code and
> this
> is not that confusing to international users.
>
> Casey Brown
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> [mailto: foundation-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of THURNER
> rupert
> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 6:01 PM
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Pennsylvania
>
> could you explain the reasoning behind blocking panamas iso country code
> "pa" and confusing international people? see
> http://www.bcpl.net/~j1m5path/isocodes.html .
>
> rupert.
>
>
>
> On 7/10/07, Andrew Whitworth <wknight8111(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm cross-posting this message to both the foundation-l and the
> > now-defunct
> > wikimediaus-l lists. Many people here may already be aware of the new
> > Wikimedia Pennsylvania chapter that is in active development, either
> from
> > the various pages that have sprung up on meta from it, from our blog on
> > the
> > planet, or from word of mouth.
> >
> > For those who are not aware, We are working to create a local chapter
> for
> > the Pennsylvania area. It will be the first state chapter, and possibly
> > the
> > first north american chapter (unless the canadian chapter can get
> rolling
> > before we do). Our chapter is going to be focused primarily on a
> > grass-roots
> > community outreach effort, in an attempt to drum up both new
> contributors
> > and new content consumers. Some of the people we would like to target
> > initially are public school systems (including the
> financially-distressed
> > Philadelphia area school district, which could benefit significantly
> from
> > a
> > free textbook alternative), universities, and community organizations.
> We
> > would also like to do some fundraising, but the extent to which we have
> > organized fundraisers is yet to be determined.
> >
> > We are instituting an open membership policy: No membership fees, and no
> > residential requirements on membership. Due to the community-oriented
> > mission of the chapter people from distant areas may have a difficulty
> > participating, but we do not intend to disenfranchise anybody because of
> > their geographical location. We are hoping that this policy will help to
> > get
> > many people involved, will help other state chapters get started, and
> will
> > serve as an organizational model for future state chapters.
> >
> > We have created a new mailinglist for the chapter at wikimediapa-l. We
> > have
> > an irc chatroom on freenode (#Wikimedia-pa), and a homepage on meta:
> > [[meta:Wikimedia Philadelphia]]. People who are interested in more
> > information can turn to any of these sources. We will be submitting the
> > first draft of our bylaws to the chapters committee soon (hopefully in a
>
> > week or two) and are already looking at the paperwork to become 503(c)
> > (although that step will be saved for the future when we see how well
> the
> > chapter is working out).
> >
> > --Andrew Whitworth
> >
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> dear greg,
>
> to the questions below i know not of any answers as yet, could you please
> provide them, thanks.
> today another graph was published on meta
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Board_elections/2007/en&cu… showing
> a significantly different balance in the voting as compared to last
> year, or am i misinterpreting arno lagrange's graph perhaps?
That graph looks to be either entirely in error or deliberately
distorted, so I wouldn't put too much trust in it. According to Arno's
own numbers (seen here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Elections_statistics_2006 ), he had
en-wiki at either 45% or 48% last year, depending on what "Uzuloj" and
"Redaktoj" mean. Graphs are pretty meaningless if they are fabricated.
Until the real data from last election are provided, all of these
guessing games are meaningless. May I ask, by the way, where are the
data?! The voter rolls are supposed to be public information, but they
disappeared around the time of the start of the 2007 election, and now
no one but those making biased graphs seem to know where they are.
Also, all of these examinations are meaningless without comparison
against the growth of the English Wikipedia. En-wiki's growth rate is
higher than the average growth rate of all other languages, so it's only
natural that it would have more voter participation this year. Also, we
have a lot of people who speak other languages but choose to contribute
primarily on en-wiki (including current Board member Erik Moeller), so
it may be that if participation in other languages is low, the only
people they have to blame are themselves.
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Oh, and ...
On Mon, July 9, 2007 20:22, The Uninvited Co., Inc wrote:
> Or we choose deliberately board members such as Bill Gates, Richard
> Branson, Bill Clinton etc.... who are rich, do not need to get any
> reimbursement, do not need to work any more etc...
Remind me again how many (self-declared or otherwise) multi-millionaires
we have as project editors at the moment? and how many of them voted in
the last election? or stood in the lst election?
The WMF projects are *world* projects of *equals*, and that means people
come from all walks of life and all the financial backgrounds around the
world from an income of $5 a month to $50,000 a month or more, but
inarguably scewed to the lower ends applicable to each country as that is
where the majority of people who are, as the saying goes, "time rich, cash
poor" tend to be.
If you /really/ want a Board solely confined to rich, white, middle-class
men - who would in no way 'represent' the editors and users of the wide
range of WMF projects - then that would not be at all the way to do it.
Sheesh, and I thought that in the similar way to our all supporting free
and open content and free and open software, in recognising that allowing
and *encouraging* the input of *everyone*, that we same people who support
those freedoms and openness recognised the inherent freedom of being open
as to *people* too.
I'm really sorry, ashamed even, to find otherwise.
Alison Wheeler
One important point is that people that live in large metro areas need a
formal organization less than people that live in less populated areas. The
people that live in the population hubs have the ability to see and work
with other WikiMedians regularly if they so choose. A more formal
organization is a good mechanism to bring in the folks in less populated
areas. To make them a part of a larger group.
Sydney
On 7/10/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I agree completely. I have also suggested this in other places. We would
> just have a "Wikimedia United States" that may or may not be an "official
> organization" but is more of a "Chapters committee" aiming and making its
> business to help out fellow chapters in the United States and get them
> started. A committee based solely on Chapters in the United States would
> allow us to focus on and learn more about American laws on items such as
> this.
>
> Casey Brown
> Cbrown1023
>
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> [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of SJ Klein
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 3:04 PM
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Pennsylvania
>
>
> Whether or not this is the right formal structure, it is a good idea
> to help get local wikipedia groups organized, on campuses and at
> coffeehouses; promote local languages; &c.
>
> SJ
>
>
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, Dmcdevit wrote:
>
> > That makes sense, but I think it would make more sense to have a
> > national chapter with (an emphasis on) local subchapters, instead of
> > simply scattered metro chapters in the US. The US may be big, but when I
> > fly the length of the country from top to bottom, as I do often
> > (Portland to Phoenix), the only major thing that changes is the
> > temperature. It seems like we're saying the US has the reasons (internal
> > commonality, etc.) for having a chapter, but is too big and/or legally
> > disparate for a single chapter. Why not both? From an administrative
> > perspective, it seems more sensible to organize people on a broader
> > scale first, and then determine the viable subsets, rather than starting
> > small before we know it works. Presumably, a national chapter could
> > still provide useful services for the people in, say, Arizona, who have
> > never even had a meetup and are unlikely to have a chapter in the near
> > future. Most especially, if we are now contemplating many chapters in
> > the US (there are 50 states, and I assume even more metro areas), a
> > national chapter would be a good way to help get those organized, and
> > lend support from other existing (sub)chapters.
> >
> > Dominic
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On 7/10/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023(a)comcast.net> wrote:
> ChapComm says the US is too big and we must split up into state-level
> chapters. Can we please get someone from ChapComm to say these things so
> that I don't have to keep regurgitating what I've been told? :-/
When I discussed with Andrew (Whiteknight) about this, I suggested
that "Wikimedia Philadelphia" was a bit vague and didn't define an
area of action.
Basically, the explanation in the bylaws draft was that the chapter
would operate (and I quote)
"in the greater Philadelphia area (which includes portions of
Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Delaware)".
I pointed out that this would prevent any other chapter in the area to
"claim" that geographical region. If I am not mistaken, US states are
pretty independant when it comes to legal stuff, and a non profit in
FL does not have the exact same obligations/rights as in PA. But I may
be mistaken.
After reading all the reactions, I still stand on the fact that the
chapter should be called by the name of the state in which it is to be
incorporated. However, I see no reason why a chapter could not "claim"
to work on a broader scale and reach out further than state borders,
and this I told Andrew at the very beginning, who agreed that having
three chapters for the "greater something or other areas" operating in
the same states might be confusing in the long run.
I believe there are lots of Wikimedians who don't pertain to a "city"
or a "region" that could be covered with names such as "The Greater
Philadelphia area" and might feel left out of the Wikimedia "real
life" bunch altogether.
This said, if I am utterly wrong in my assessment, I am ready to be
convinced otherwise.
Delphine
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