Could someone please explain if there is some logical system in all
those WMF-donation pages? I know about
and it seems to me they differ among themselves somewhat
significantly. I have translated the page at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests/WMF-don to czech
as I thought it would be better if the sitenotice that I have placed
to w:cs: would better link to a czech version of the page. But now, I
have no idea where should the czech translation be placed (I suppose
that m:Translation_requests/WMF-don/Cs: is not its final place), I
cannot add a page to wikimediafoundation.org like the german Wikipedia
did (as I have no login there), or should I create a fundraising page
directly on cs: ?
And, regarding the translation: I have left out those PayPal links
(and left only one in the text), as PayPal cannot be used from
Czechia, so they are of no use to czech users (MoneyBookers work
fine). I hope this is OK?
And a final technical question: The translation request says "Note
that these pages do *not* use wiki-markup, but only HTML." But the
Translation requests/WMF-don/En: is in wiki-markup! I have used
wiki-markup as I used the en: version as the source; I could change it
to HTML, but...should I?
Petr Kadlec (a sysop as cs:User:Mormegil)
Sorry if this has been discussed before, or the place would be better
on meta (in which case could someone post there and/or gimme the
appropriate url? :)
Here's a (rough) proposal for managing different language of pages,
heavily based on [[m:Translation requests]].
When someone creates a new page (not translate an existing one), s/he
creates two pages like that:
* My page (title in original language)
* My page/<language code>
In the first page, put link the 2nd, stating that's the original
language. Then fill in 2nd. Maybe put timestamps of last change on 1st
so easy to check when original changed.
When someone translates ''My page'' to language xx, do translation in
[[My page/xx]], and link from [[My page]].
When writing another page that links to ''My page'', try to link to
[[My page/xx]]. If nothing, link to [[My page]] - it'll make people
want to translate ''My page'', and point the page does exist - though
not (yet) in language you'd want.
If you want to link to a page you know doesn't exist, just link to
[[Future page]], without /. This way, when [[Future page]] does get
created, ''what links here'' will tell us which links need to be fixed
to correct language.
I hope it's clear lol.
The benefits i see are:
* when translating another document, easy to know which articles are
translations of articles - either [[link/<my language>]], and if red
[[link]] (assuming original link is not broken)
* each page have a ''disambiguation''-like page, to link all versions
and not forget a page here & there :)
* you won't have someone translate [[Board]] to [[Conseil
d'administration]] and someone else to [[Board/fr]], and thus don't
need to check broken links or duplicates and whatever
* software could prolly (though developers will know better'an me ;p)
be tweaked to check for [[article/<browser language>]] when someone
asks for [[article]], and fallback on latter if not found - thus one
day we can link straight to [[article]]
On the bad side:
* page title is always ''original language'' title, whatever the
language the page actually is
Le Monday 20 September 2004 05:07, Joshua Swink a écrit :
> Sometimes I like to have several 'pedias open at once, in tabs,
> and it would be nice if they had different favicons. These icons
> are in the tabs, so if they did, I could tell which pedia was
> in a tab quickly.
> I have made some simple ones for Meta, Wikibooks and Wikiquote,
> and was wondering if someone could put them on the wikis. They
> are at http://yath.phreadom.net/wikicons/.
Nice idea, but we need icons a bit more "international" and less English
So for Wikiquote, it might be OK, for meta I don't know, and for Wikibooks, we
need something better. And Wikisource and Wiktionary are missing.
BTW, this is the wrong list, so redirect to foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org.
> Joshua Swink
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I just looked at the donation page. It is good. However, I think you
may provide more methods to get money for wikimedia. For example,
selling T-shirt printed with wikipedia log, similar sticker for
volunteers to put on car bumpers.
Sometimes, people are more willing to get something while
contributing. And those things I mentioned are useful to spread the
effect of wikipedia.
I saw a lot of bumper stickers everyday. And some are very interesting
and very impressive while some hurt my feeling a lot such as "Free
Tibet". I don't like the idea of fission my country with the excuse of
wrong behaviors of government.
I would definitely buy one with WikiMedia slogan and put it on my
rear bumper to proudly declare: I am a wikipedian! Joint us! And I
would wear the T-shirt often too :-). But make sure you provide size M
suitable for asians. Most T-shirts in USA are too large for us.
Mav, I miss the edit box where people can specify any amount for a periodic contribution,
as was agreed in the wikimeet last Friday.
Also I wonder what the ''Tier x" prefix before each amount in the drop down box means.
To me it suggests different Tiers bring different payback to the donator,
or establish any other hierarchy which is it probably not what you meant.
Without wanting to overburden the Board of Trustees which I am sure is
already working at their personal limits, I'd like to suggest that we
create an official Wikimedia roadmap for the next 3 years.
When working on the fundraising pages, I could not find a good, officially
sanctioned "future activities" page on meta or elsewhere (if I missed
something, please let me know). I think that this, together with a well-
written mission statement, would be quite important to educate people
about what Wikimedia is about. This could address many common criticisms
(Wikipedia is not reliable etc.) and hopefully put to rest the
misconception that Wikimedia and Wikipedia are essentially the same
What I am thinking of is a document roughly with three columns:
Quarter Projects Technology Financial
Q4/2004 - Launch Wikinews [*] - MW: Database schema - Quarterly
- German Wikipedia CD redesign fundraising
with each of these items linking to detailed project pages. This could
then be combined with some prose that outlines our vision for future
projects and needs.
I want us to become better aware of the interdependencies between and
financial needs of our projects, otherwise we might run into some serious
trouble when e.g. we start some well-intended offline edition without a
solid peer review process in place.
There's a problem with this, however, in that the board would have to
decide *now* which projects it thinks will be executed in the future, even
if there has not yet been a vote or a full feasibility study on these
projects. In order to address this problem, I added a "[*]" above, which
would then be resolved to
[*] Tentative. There is consensus among board members that this
[[m:Category:Proposed projects|proposed project]] is a good idea
worth pursuing, but no extensive community review has happened yet.
Hence, I would suggest that the roadmap essentially would reflect the
board's collective bias on the various proposed projects.
What are your thoughts on that? We could try to write this together on
Meta, but the Board would at least have to provide a rough "consensus
paper" to base it on (e.g. which projects the board definitely wants to
do, which technology needs it definitely sees etc.). After some community
work, it would then be handed back to the board for editing and the final
stamp of approval.
In connection with the upcoming press release celebrating one million
Wikipedia articles, we are working to translate not only the press
release itself, but also make the Wikimedia Foundation website available
in languages other than English. This is needed for us to make the best
use of the publicity and also to help our fundraising efforts. However,
this project will carry us through the weekend.
Therefore, at the request of the Board of Trustees, I am delaying the
distribution of the press release until Monday, September 20. That will
be the day for the official announcement, although we may actually reach
the million-article milestone earlier. This will allow us sufficient
time to get things ready in as many languages as possible. Also, it may
be helpful to have the press release come at the beginning of the weekly
news cycle, as this may allow for better exposure over the course of the
Please pass this on to your respective projects and anyone who is
planning to help with this effort. In the meantime, everyone who will
help distribute the press release could make good use of the time to
identify the right contact people at the media organizations you plan to
send the press release to.
> 3. I have here in the office 12 4U servers (11 mobos, 12 cases) of
> extremely questionable quality. Details are posted on meta:
Can these machines be refurbished to turn them into Wikireader terminals?
Do we have any plans to do so? It seems to me that in the mid to long
term, we will want to set up a hardware donation and refurbishing
programme for that purpose, but the logistics of that could be quite
Rather than set up a central, dedicated storage and testing facility, we
could try a decentralized approach and let trusted volunteers store and
refurbish as many machines as they can. We only would provide money for
shipping the machines to their eventual destination. (We'd have a catalog
of destinations and each volunteer would be assigned a destination close
to them to save costs.)
We'd need an easy to install Linux Terminal Software (based on Knoppix?)
at least. And we would need a setup in place where we can easily ship
updates to clients, preferably without affecting other data on the client
So - what are our plans in this regard? Is there a page on Meta for this
(Copied to foundation-l.)
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 08:05:15 -0700 (PDT), andrew fabbro
> The rest of the world's feelings are hurt by Chinese imperialism and the
Your word of "the rest of the world" here is a little bit strange for
me. You only have right to express your own opinion. But never, please
never assume you are the rest of the world. How to define the "rest of
the world" and how do you know its feeling is the same as yours?
> destruction of Tibetan culture. Until China can behave like a modern,
> grown-up nation, no one gives a shit about your "feelings".
Again, your word of "no one" here is strange for me. As far as I know,
you gave a shit-about my feelings, but it does not mean "no one". You
are assuming you are the reprentative for anybody except me? I am
confident many people in this world care my feelings.
I can only draw a conculsion from your words that you are little bit
arrogant. But that is not fully your fault.
For me, I am trying to care anybody's feeling when doing things.
Forgive my word if what I saying is a kind of offend in your culture.
Thanks for your attention for this suggestion. though it is a little
> andrew fabbro [andrew(a)fabbro.org]
> ------------------------------[ quote-o-matic] -----------------------------
> "I've been thinking about all my cool electronic gadgets and how they've
> never brought me real happiness. I guess it's because I don't have
> enough of them." -- Matt Diamond
Still working on http://wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising and its subpages. Per
Friday's meeting, here is my suggested tier scheme for the currency-specific
Tier USD JPY EUR CAD GBP
1 2.5 300 2 3.5 1.5
2 5 500 4 7 3
3 10 1100 8 15 5
4 15 1500 10 20 8
5 20 2000 15 25 10
6 25 3000 20 30 15
7 35 4000 30 45 20
8 50 6000 40 65 30
9 70 8000 60 90 40
10 100 11000 80 130 55
Tier USD JPY EUR CAD GBP
1 30 3600 24 42 18
2 60 6000 48 84 36
3 120 13200 96 180 60
4 180 18000 120 240 96
5 240 24000 180 300 120
6 300 36000 240 360 180
7 420 48000 360 540 240
8 600 72000 480 780 360
9 840 96000 720 1080 480
10 1200 132000 960 1560 660
Whatever we use, I would like to have the yearly amounts be exactly 12 times
the monthly ones but will do whatever most people want. NOTE: PayPal recognizes
at most 10 options and the above are *not* exact currency conversions; a good
deal of rounding - sometimes up, sometimes down - was used on many values.
If there are no suggestions for improvement, I'll go ahead and start to
implement the above in 24 hours (first for English, then for the other
languages; translators can start work now by using the visible text as a
guide). The handful of people who have WMF wiki accounts should feel free to
suggest changes by making them (I plan to mirror each of these pages on Meta
once everything settles down; but that is just too much work right now).
NOTE: I already plan to add more explanatory text. Any suggestions welcome.
See aslo: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Fundraising_pages
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
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