Re: [Wikimedia-IN-PUN] [Wikimediaindia-l] Chapter Misleading Community!

Dear Anirudh, Please direct me to the response/clarification from Wikimedia India Executive Committee. Only Sunil has made the whole thing clear and now its "only" You who is saying - It is clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will

travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on matters pertaining to their new assignments. The Executive Committee has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are in the same city together to have a face to face meeting. There is nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds chapter activities. Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Anirudh Bhati <anirudhsbh(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Abhishek, > > I noticed that you have been repetitively raising the same issues over > and over again. The members of the Executive Committee of Wikimedia > India and Sunil@CIS have already responded to your questions. It is > clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be > travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on > matters pertaining to their new assignments. The Executive Committee > has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are > in the same city together to have a face to face meeting. There is > nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds > chapter activities. > > I have to ask you to please refrain from sending further emails on > this topic. If you ignore this warning, I will have to put your > account on moderation. > > Thanks, > Anirudh > > > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi > <i.abhishek.suryawanshi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear Executive Committee, > > Wikimedia India Chapter. > > > > > > Could you be please be kind enough to clarify, Why EC was/is

> > in > > misguiding mailing list and Indian community? > > > > > > When asked about CIS funding - Executive Committee member wrote : > > > >> The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do > >> so. > >> If > >> the CIS funds us, it will be madw public. > > > > > > Then why weren't they made public by you? CIS clearly stated - they

> > funding Chapter, and in past (also) they have supported in-kind. > > > > Why is the hesitation for acknowledging this? On the contrary - > > there

> > strong rejection of even having any kind of connection with CIS from > > Chapter > > representatives. (On the other hand CIS is graciously open/alright > > to > > acknowledge links with the Chapter) > > > > > > On A Query about CIS funding Chapter Flight Tickets : Response from > > Secretary was- > > > >> .....making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list, > > > > > > Which part was unsubstantiated? Its the reality that this time

> > Board Member's Flight tickets ARE covered by CIS even if it includes > > training the A2K team. > > (CIS has already made it clear on this mailing list) > > > > > > Why there is hesitation/resistance to have transparency? > > > > Also, the Chapter President gave statement on same thread - > > > >> Please be open and transparent to the > >> community. The more you become transparent, it is better for all. > > > > > > Are Chapter EC Members exception to this? > > > > On same lines, Another EC Members says - > > > >> The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS, > > > > > > As correctly stated by , Chapter is having money from WMF, Which > > comes > > from > > individual donations. So ideally > > Chapter should be accountable to the overall community and not just

> > members, as rightly pointed out by someone > > > > Again, What is the need to find excuses for transparency? > > > > When there was statement that ''AGM travel expense is covered''

> > of > > correcting statement and saying, its wrong - and CIS is paying for

> > Trip (which is coinciding with CIS training!) > > Even Chapter President preferred to give out half truth and kept > > everyone in > > dark. And there was Secretary and another EC Member to take whole > > mailing > > list on a ride! > > > > > > Why it is important? > > > > This could be start of new era - Where CIS supports Chapter

> > whenever needed. > > (or in-kind as they did in past and hopefully will continue to do > > so). > > > > So more and more volunteer efforts can be devoted for > > outreach/activities. > > > >> Please remember that chapter is representation of the community and > >> works for the community > > > > > > Current scenario gives wrong interpretation and implies that > > community > > should not raise questions on transparency because after-all we are

> > representation! Either consult community before lying or speak > > (complete) > > truth. > > > >> Here is response from Sunil,CIS - > >> > >> This month, we are reimbursing the Chapter EC travel and related > >> expenses because the Chapter EC has kindly consented to support a > >> training programme that CIS is organising for it's A2K team in > >> Bangalore. It is only happy coincidence that they were also

> >> a meeting in Bangalore during those dates. I was not aware of this > >> when I reached out to the EC and asked for their support us. > > > > > > > > From Sunil's mail it is clear that Sunil extended the offer in > > good-faith, > > unaware of Chapter-Board meeting falling at the same time. However > > Chapter > > also seems to have taken this opportunity and is now shy to accept. > > I > > don't > > understand why? > > > > And why CIS was also kept in dark? > > > > > >> CIS will cover air travel and accommodation for all EC members. CIS > >> will > >> also provide per diem for meals that are not provided during the > >> training. Unfortunately, we don't have a separate budget for fees. > > > > > > Along with 'air Travel', CIS is providing accommodation too. > > And Last sentence about fee budget is interesting. > > > > > > If Chapter is expecting public support for fundraising and other > > activities, > > then it should be more transparent and 'should avoid organized and > > dedicated > > efforts to misguide community/keep in dark.' > > > > > > And Hope so CIS takes care of all the > > remaining Chapter financial needs as well, Just keep community in

> > And > > Thanks to Sunil/ CIS for being transparent and open. > > > > > > > > > > Keep Clarifying, Keep Inspiring! > > > > > > > > -Abhishek Suryawanshi, > > On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Sunil Abraham <sunil(a)mahiti.org> > > Date: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate > > To: Abhishek Suryawanshi <i.abhishek.suryawanshi(a)gmail.com> > > Cc: Wikimedia India Community list > > <wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > > > > > > Dear Abhishek, > > > > CIS is not supporting travel expenses for Chapter EC meetings. Nor > > has > > CIS provided funding to the Chapter so far from the Wikipedia grant. > > CIS has provided in-kind support to the Chapter in previous > > financial > > years for ex. society registration costs and the costs of their > > financial adviser during their first financial year. We strongly > > suppor > > > > This month, we are reimbursing the Chapter EC travel and related > > expenses because the Chapter EC has kindly consented to support a > > training programme that CIS is organising for it's A2K team in > > Bangalore. It is only happy coincidence that they were also > > organising > > a meeting in Bangalore during those dates. I was not aware of this > > when I reached out to the EC and asked for their support us. > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > In the first week of March, we hope to release a 6-monthly report of > > the utilization of the grant so far. Usually we only provide an > > annual > > consolidated report for all grants at the ledger group level. But > > for > > this particular grant we will increase the degree of transparency to > > address concerns of the community. If you have any suggestions on > > how > > we should structure this report or if you have any further questions > > about how CIS is spending the grant allocated do not hesitate to ask > > me. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Sunil > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Training of CIS-A2K team on 23 or 24 of February > > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:48:42 +0530 > > From: Sunil Abraham <sunil(a)cis-india.org> > > To: Wikimedia India EC <wikimedia-in-exec(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > > > > Attn: > > Sudhanwa Jogalekar > > Karthik Nadar > > Anirudh Singh Bhati > > Nikita Belavate > > Pranav Curumsey > > Srikanth Ramakrishnan > > Viswa Prabha > > > > Dear Members of the Wikimedia India EC, > > > > Hope 2013 has gotten of to an excellent start for all of you. > > > > CIS is organising a training for the A2K team on the 22nd, 23rd and

> > of February in Bangalore. The new Programme Director - Vishnu > > Vardhan > > will also be attending this event. We would like the EC to spend one

> > training the team on a variety of issues. We would prefer if you opt

> > either 23rd or the 24th as we have some other trainers that have > > confirmed for the 22nd. > > > > CIS will cover air travel and accommodation for all EC members. CIS

> > also provide per diem for meals that are not provided during the > > training. Unfortunately, we don't have a separate budget for fees. > > > > This idea has been discussed with Anasuya Sengupta and Jessie Wild > > at > > the Wikimedia Foundation and they have supported it. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Sunil > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi > > <i.abhishek.suryawanshi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Dear Sunil, > >> > >> Could you please share information about CIS supporting Chapter

> >> expenses? > >> > >> And Its nice and positive move, Great to see CIS continues to > >> support > >> movement in India. > >> Volunteers can devote their time in doing activities and CIS can > >> support > >> as > >> per request. > >> > >> As Chapter is shy/silent about acknowledging funding from CIS - > >> Hope

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