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1. Wikimedia genealogy and historical research software - a
proposal for HRE (Michael Maggs)
2. Re: Wikimedia genealogy and historical research software - a
proposal for HRE (Michael Smith)
3. Re: Wikimedia genealogy and historical research software - a
proposal for HRE (Michael Maggs)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 15:58:34 +0100
From: Michael Maggs <Michael@maggs.name>
To: "Discussion about the Wikimedia genealogy project."
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Subject: [Wikimedia-genealogy] Wikimedia genealogy and historical
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There has been quite bit of discussion over the years about how the
Wikimedia movement could engage with those who have research interests
in family history or genealogy, and a centralised discussion page [1]
has been set up on Meta.
I am posting to ask whether there would be Wikimedian developers who
would be interested in joining an open source project to create a free
platform independent application called History Research Environment [2]
(‘HRE’) for the serious genealogist or historical researcher.
Considerable effort has been put into high-level planning over several
years, and we are now ready to start writing code.
While the proposed software is not currently an official Wikimedia
project, if there is enough interest we are open to it becoming
integrated or affiliated in some way. The plan is, in any event, that
the software should be interoperable with Wikidata to allow (subject to
the agreement of the Wikidata community) the exchange of a variety of
structured data including verified and fully sourced family trees.
I'd be happy to answer queries.
Michael Maggs
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_genealogy_ project
[2] https://historyresearchenvironment.org
(please excuse cross-posting for greater visibility, as the
[wikimedia-genealogy] mailing list still has very few subscribers)
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Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 12:20:36 -0500
From: Michael Smith <michaelksmith99@gmail.com>
To: "Discussion about the Wikimedia genealogy project."
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-genealogy] Wikimedia genealogy and historical
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As it happens, both my wife and I were members of Bob Velke's original
development team for TMG in one of Dick Eastman's back rooms at CompuServe
in the early '90s. (That's how we first met, in fact.) If this project is
meant to function as a full-dress desktop application for recording
genealogical research -- perhaps among other, more general types of
historical research -- I would be very interested. I've just spent some
time browsing through the info at the website you linked to and I've
already begun making a list of comments and points to consider.
I've been doing this stuff since the early '60s, before I even did my first
history degree, so all my original family research was
pencil-and-clipboard. I still do "regular" history research, mostly of the
local history variety -- but, to be honest, I've never needed software for
that. Still just a pencil and clipboard, with the addition of a digital
camera a decade ago.
Michael K. Smith
On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Michael Maggs <Michael@maggs.name> wrote:
> There has been quite bit of discussion over the years about how the
> Wikimedia movement could engage with those who have research interests in
> family history or genealogy, and a centralised discussion page [1] has been
> set up on Meta.
>
> I am posting to ask whether there would be Wikimedian developers who would
> be interested in joining an open source project to create a free platform
> independent application called History Research Environment [2] (‘HRE’) for
> the serious genealogist or historical researcher. Considerable effort has
> been put into high-level planning over several years, and we are now ready
> to start writing code.
>
> While the proposed software is not currently an official Wikimedia
> project, if there is enough interest we are open to it becoming integrated
> or affiliated in some way. The plan is, in any event, that the software
> should be interoperable with Wikidata to allow (subject to the agreement of
> the Wikidata community) the exchange of a variety of structured data
> including verified and fully sourced family trees.
>
> I'd be happy to answer queries.
>
> Michael Maggs
>
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_genealogy_ project
>
> [2] https://historyresearchenvironment.org
>
> (please excuse cross-posting for greater visibility, as the
> [wikimedia-genealogy] mailing list still has very few subscribers)
>
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Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 18:39:00 +0100
From: Michael Maggs <Michael@maggs.name>
To: "Discussion about the Wikimedia genealogy project."
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-genealogy] Wikimedia genealogy and historical
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Hi Michael
Yes, indeed, that's exactly the intention. We hope to end up with a
much-enhanced and platform-independent replacement for TMG.
If you could make yourself and your experience known via the link on
this page
https://historyresearchenvironment. org/become-a-volunteer/
we'll be very pleased to have you.
All the best
Michael
> Michael Smith <mailto:michaelksmith99@gmail.com >
> 24 May 2017 at 6:20 pm
> As it happens, both my wife and I were members of Bob Velke's original
> development team for TMG in one of Dick Eastman's back rooms at
> CompuServe in the early '90s. (That's how we first met, in fact.) If
> this project is meant to function as a full-dress desktop application
> for recording genealogical research -- perhaps among other, more
> general types of historical research -- I would be very interested.
> I've just spent some time browsing through the info at the website you
> linked to and I've already begun making a list of comments and points
> to consider.
>
> I've been doing this stuff since the early '60s, before I even did my
> first history degree, so all my original family research was
> pencil-and-clipboard. I still do "regular" history research, mostly of
> the local history variety -- but, to be honest, I've never needed
> software for that. Still just a pencil and clipboard, with the
> addition of a digital camera a decade ago.
>
> Michael K. Smith
>
>
>
>
> --
> Michael K. Smith Smith Editorial Services
> NEW: michaelksmith99@gmail.com <mailto:mksmith1@bellsouth.net>
> work & play = http://www.oldbooksmith.com/
> <http://www.oldbooksmith.com/booksmith.html >
> book review blog = http://reviewsmith.wordpress.com
> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
> THESAURUS (n.): An ancient reptile with
> an excellent vocabulary.
> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
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> to ensure that you will NEVER receive viruses from me.
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> Michael Maggs <mailto:Michael@maggs.name>
> 24 May 2017 at 3:58 pm
> There has been quite bit of discussion over the years about how the
> Wikimedia movement could engage with those who have research interests
> in family history or genealogy, and a centralised discussion page [1]
> has been set up on Meta.
>
> I am posting to ask whether there would be Wikimedian developers who
> would be interested in joining an open source project to create a free
> platform independent application called History Research Environment
> [2] (‘HRE’) for the serious genealogist or historical researcher.
> Considerable effort has been put into high-level planning over several
> years, and we are now ready to start writing code.
>
> While the proposed software is not currently an official Wikimedia
> project, if there is enough interest we are open to it becoming
> integrated or affiliated in some way. The plan is, in any event, that
> the software should be interoperable with Wikidata to allow (subject
> to the agreement of the Wikidata community) the exchange of a variety
> of structured data including verified and fully sourced family trees.
>
> I'd be happy to answer queries.
>
> Michael Maggs
>
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_genealogy_ project
>
> [2] https://historyresearchenvironment.org
>
> (please excuse cross-posting for greater visibility, as the
> [wikimedia-genealogy] mailing list still has very few subscribers)
>
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