Sorry about the digest response. Footnotes at bottom of msg.

Message: 1
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 13:50:29 -0400
From: James Mason <>
To: "Discussion about the Wikimedia genealogy project."

Several different systems have been put forward as candidates to be
"the" Wikimedia genealogy project.  Of those, several have been in
existence for a number of years and are in regular use.  Yet I have seen
very little on the question of why any of those may or may not have been
chosen as a starting point.

In the WMF-sphere there is a strong opposition to NMH/NFH (Not Made
Here/Not From Here) solutions, even standing the middle of a wheel
graveyard. Witness Flow when there are literally hundreds of drop-in
forum/communication systems which can be implemented modularly such as

My personal choice of using WebTrees[1] was specifically to allow an
unlimited number of contributors to work on a single GED, and allow an
unlimited number of GEDs to be hosted/displayed. It is not a wiki. It
has some wiki-like characteristics. It could become a wiki. I doubt it
is currently ready to scale.

On the other hand, it would work extremely well as an interim, and is
able to import/export standard and non-standard GED.

Message: 2
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2017 08:15:04 +0800
From: Sam Wilson <>
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-genealogy] Is the delivery of software
	fundamental to this project?

Wikidata as a central
My personal approach these days is ...
To painfully refactor: WeRelate has content and community, and other
good/bad things. Wikidata, if possible, requires creating a new
genealogy data standard [mandatory reference to].
Federation seems a good approach.

I am less-keen on thinking about forking a community, although forking
their content has some interesting possibilities. Wikidata has been
pretty much useless or a disaster for sister projects other than
interwiki links - and even that has semantic issues. (imo: this is due a
lack of interest/resources in supporting non-wikipedia efforts, not that
Wikidata cannot do a stellar job.)

So, much against my philosophy, I can agree there is a need for software
development: a decentralized federation for node
searching/sharing/indexing, self-healing? Preferably with a platform
agnostic api, so multiple GUI and engines can be built.

But I would rather work with the very large pile of genealogy wheels
than start something entirely new.


[1] On Github:  Official: Wiki: