Sam, this is great news, I will try it out today.

Sam Wilson wrote:
> In the meantime I've set up a demo wiki:
>that we can install various things on if we want to talk about them in more concrete terms.
— Sam

2017-09-07 9:37 GMT+02:00 Sam Wilson <>:
I certainly agree with you about the NIH syndrome within the Wikimedia world. (I think it's getting better though, and I think a lot of it is part of the general PHP/web-dev community too, and not specific to MediaWiki.) I really don't think we need yet another software solution for genealogy! However... :-)

I think I basically take as my starting point "base MediaWiki". As in: there's a great flexibility in a website that is basically just freeform text boxes into which you can put whatever. At its heart, a wiki is free and open and really easy to just jump into and start putting content up. That's why we love 'em! And I think it's a good platform for genealogy: we can write whatever we need to, and collaborate with others, and it's not constrained by any software-imposed structure.

Certainly, I see the attraction with software like Webtrees that provides lots of structure, but I guess it feels a bit different to the open wiki way of things. I think WeRelate tries to walk the line between fully-wiki and fully-structured, and does it pretty well. I've attempted a couple of times to work on its code and bring it up to date, but decided it would take more time than I've got, and there isn't a community of developers working on it.

Anyway, that's all stuff we need to talk about more I'm sure! In the meantime I've set up a demo wiki:
that we can install various things on if we want to talk about them in more concrete terms.

— Sam.

On Sat, 2 Sep 2017, at 09:31 PM, Amgine wrote:
Sorry about the digest response. Footnotes at bottom of msg.

Message: 1
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 13:50:29 -0400
From: James Mason <>
To: "Discussion about the Wikimedia genealogy project."

Several different systems have been put forward as candidates to be
"the" Wikimedia genealogy project.  Of those, several have been in
existence for a number of years and are in regular use.  Yet I have seen
very little on the question of why any of those may or may not have been
chosen as a starting point.


In the WMF-sphere there is a strong opposition to NMH/NFH (Not Made
Here/Not From Here) solutions, even standing the middle of a wheel
graveyard. Witness Flow when there are literally hundreds of drop-in
forum/communication systems which can be implemented modularly such as

My personal choice of using WebTrees[1] was specifically to allow an
unlimited number of contributors to work on a single GED, and allow an
unlimited number of GEDs to be hosted/displayed. It is not a wiki. It
has some wiki-like characteristics. It could become a wiki. I doubt it
is currently ready to scale.

On the other hand, it would work extremely well as an interim, and is
able to import/export standard and non-standard GED.

Message: 2
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2017 08:15:04 +0800
From: Sam Wilson <>
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-genealogy] Is the delivery of software
	fundamental to this project?

Wikidata as a central
My personal approach these days is ...

To painfully refactor: WeRelate has content and community, and other
good/bad things. Wikidata, if possible, requires creating a new
genealogy data standard [mandatory reference to].
Federation seems a good approach.

I am less-keen on thinking about forking a community, although forking
their content has some interesting possibilities. Wikidata has been
pretty much useless or a disaster for sister projects other than
interwiki links - and even that has semantic issues. (imo: this is due a
lack of interest/resources in supporting non-wikipedia efforts, not that
Wikidata cannot do a stellar job.)

So, much against my philosophy, I can agree there is a need for software
development: a decentralized federation for node
searching/sharing/indexing, self-healing? Preferably with a platform
agnostic api, so multiple GUI and engines can be built.

But I would rather work with the very large pile of genealogy wheels
than start something entirely new.


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