Hi Samir,
The use of VE may partially depend on the particular wiki involved. Also,
we are still waiting on Citoid, which means that we still do references the
old fashioned way. We also need to show new users how to create accounts
and how to register in Education Extension course pages. So there is
definitely room for training new users on Wikipedia mechanics even if they
use VE.
In addition to the mechanics of editing, new users need to learn community
norms with new users so that they know how to select article topics, how to
avoid copyvios and BLP violations, what the 5 pillars are, how to meet
medical referencing standards where appicable, how to use talk pages, how
to use user and user talk pages, when to use the draft namespace and AFC,
what sandboxes and infoboxes are, and how to deal with deletion
discussions. Some of these norms will vary by wiki.
We also need to inspire new users so that editing feels valuable. LiAnna
from Wiki Ed has some wonderful slides and ideas about that, so you may
want to talk to her about incorporating her ideas into a learning pattern.
I would like to be able to cover all of these subjects with new users in
one hour. If you can create a lesson plan for this, do please upload an
outline and slides to Commons, and create one or more learning patterns.
You may want to coordinate the lesson plan development with other people on
the WMF education team and in Wiki Ed. There will be a substantial time
commitment to do all of this well, so I hope that Floor will agree to
support this project with the necessary staff time.
I would like to make use of these resources in April if not sooner.
Thanks very much for your interest. Please let us know if Floor wants to
proceed with this project and when we can expect the finished products.
Pine
On Feb 22, 2015 3:33 PM, "Samir Elsharbaty" <selsharbaty(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
Hello everyone,
Seems that there is a great interest in having a tutorial for the VE
especially for WEP workshops. However, as a volunteer Wikipedian, I have
always looked at it as a tool that could help with copyediting and fixing
typos after a long editing session for example or that would help a new
user make a quick change without a need to master the editing techniques. I
would have thought like Filip that Visual editor wouldn't need a tutorial.
It's just like social media websites that people work on directly and learn
by practice. Anyway, sorry Filip, seems the majority looks at it
differently.
Would it be helpful if there is a learning pattern
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Learning_patterns> on helping
with VE? If yes, would anyone of the VE users be able to volunteer for
creating it? Also, if another more practical detailed option is needed I
would be happy to create a PDF tutorial. It can be uploaded to Commons so
that anyone can print and dispense in the workshops as a handout.
Do you think any of those two ideas would help? Do you have other ideas
that could be more practical?
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:49 AM, Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I am very happy to see such strong interest in VE
from the education
communitty.
FYI, if we don't hear back about a lesson plan for VE training in the
next few days, either in Hebrew or English, I will contact our colleague
Michal who is the executive director of WMIL to see if she can provide us
with at least a Hebrew version that we can use for inspration.
Pine
On Feb 22, 2015 2:14 PM, "Vojtěch Dostál" <vojtech.dostal(a)wikimedia.cz>
wrote:
I also wondered if there is a VE-oriented
training somewhere. It seems
there isn't - because VE is in a state of flux.
Because Czech Republic uses VE to train students we are in a great need
of such a training, and are currently asking for a small contract to write
a simple wiki-based tutorial, mostly based on Wikipedia:Training module
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Training/For_students> for
students.
If there is a Hebrew VE training could someone please link it? It would
be lovely to see it, at least to get some inspiration.
thanks
Vojtěch Dostál
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2015-02-22 14:02 GMT+01:00 Leigh Thelmadatter <osamadre(a)hotmail.com>om>:
I still do not use VE in my training (despite
having 200+ students
working on three campuses) because there are too many things it cannot do.
I dont have time to constantly play with it to see if it is now good enough
to use. I will likely not use it until it is accepted by the wider
community. However, the lack of a viable VE does make scalability very very
difficult, especially with older teachers who adjust less to idea of coding
in any form.
+1 on the frustrations for those with new accounts. I understand the
need for protections with new accounts, but why in the heck does the
captcha "error" message appear at the top and the captcha itself at the
bottom? Students only see the red "error" and I have to tell them to go to
the bottom and its only a captcha. In addition, because we use wireless
with the same IP address, we get errors when I am having a class move text
into sandboxes or copy/paste finished articles into the mainspace. Most
students cant use the move function as they dont have enough errors. Even
if they did, using it would render the sandbox worthless because of the
redirect. Add to this trigger-happy bibliotecarios in es.wiki who erase
student work with little or no explanation, the last two times being
wrongly done.
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 11:55:31 +0000
From: charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com
To: education(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Editor training with VisualEditor
On 22 February 2015 at 10:33, Filip Maljković <dungodung(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
It is my impression that the VE should be ideally made in such a way
that a tutorial isn't really necessary. But I guess we don't live in an
ideal world :)
That is the "ideal world according to Silicon Valley", not the world we
inhabit as Wikimedians.
The projects want useful content, and how people write for Wikipedia
matters much more than how they do on Facebook. The world of no manuals, no
help pages, no support is not one in which we can easily grow our community
of productive Wikimedians.
And the way the WMF releases software makes life very hard for
trainers.
It is literally true that you need to check the night before giving a
workshop, with a new account, what the current experience for a newcomer to
Wikipedia is (capchas, strange messages, moving buttons and all).
I believe the latest WMUK training leaflet takes the VE as a given. I
know their older leaflet on images mentions it, in a way found confusing to
a newcomer (as I found - she was a Computer Officer).
Charles
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