Bluerasberry,

Just checking to make sure that you're not planning to sign.

Thanks,

Pine

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 15:00:27 -0700

From: anotherbelieverwp@gmail.com
To: wikimedia-cascadia@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Cascadia] Cascadia page on Meta, and organizing ourselves

My understanding is that Lane supports the group, but does not intend to serve as a founding member of the user group.

Jason

On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:58 PM, ENWP Pine <deyntestiss@hotmail.com> wrote:

I would check with Bluerasberry.

By the way, I am in the process of converting to a new webmail provider because Hotmail has problems with threaded email discussions on lists. Any recommendations for new providers other than Gmail? Please contact me off-list.

Thanks,

Pine

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 14:54:20 -0700

From: anotherbelieverwp@gmail.com
To: wikimedia-cascadia@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Cascadia] Cascadia page on Meta, and organizing ourselves

Please see:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cascadia_Wikimedians#Sign_on_to_be_a_Founding_Member_of_Cascadia_Wikimedians

Are we ready to move forward?

Jason

On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 1:29 PM, ENWP Pine <deyntestiss@hotmail.com> wrote:

I've joined the channel. What's your IRC nick?

Pine

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Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 16:13:29 -0400

From: anotherbelieverwp@gmail.com
To: wikimedia-cascadia@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Cascadia] Cascadia page on Meta, and organizing ourselves

Check #wikimedia-us

On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 3:59 PM, ENWP Pine <deyntestiss@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi, it looks like this is happening soon. I can participate by Skype, Google Hangout or IRC if you have a wifi connection.

Pine

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Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 09:34:04 -0400

From: anotherbelieverwp@gmail.com
To: wikimedia-cascadia@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Cascadia] Cascadia page on Meta, and organizing ourselves

Oops, I forgot to include the link, just in case!

http://wikiconferenceusa.org/wiki/Cascadia_Meetup

Jason

On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Jason Moore <anotherbelieverwp@gmail.com> wrote:

Bumping this thread to confirm the Cascadia Meetup this afternoon (4-5:30pm) in Room W300 at WikiConference USA. We will be discussing the possibility of user group status. Pine, Mako, I understand that the two of you are committed to signing on as supporters of the Cascadian Wikimedians User Group. I, too, am willing to sign on, and there are a few people here at the conference from Portland, Washington State and British Columbia, some of whom may also be interested. We will see what happens this afternoon, but perhaps we can at least come up with a solid plan to obtain user group status ASAP. 

Thanks,

Jason

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Kirill Lokshin <kirill.lokshin@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Lane Rasberry <lane@bluerasberry.com> wrote:

Hello,

The easiest way to incorporate in Washington is to get the minimum number of people, I think 5, and then just fill out the online form.

To get 501(c)(3) if an organization has been registered for three years without failing the yearly report or having members go wild, then the bar to get non-profit status is greatly lowered.

If I were to propose a route going forward, it would be this:

1. As soon as three supporters are identified, send an email requesting usergroup status. There is really no review process for this and it is just something that is granted on request. The group's history far exceeds expectations of applicants.

I should point out that this isn't really the case.  While the review process for user groups is simpler and shorter than the review process for chapters, there *is* a review.  Depending on whether there will be bylaws that need to be reviewed (which may be the case if the user group is going to incorporate), I would expect the review to take anywhere from a few weeks to a month or two.

 

1. If five supporters can be identified to sign on to incorporate, apply as a non-profit organization and operate indefinitely with no budget and few projects. Have the work of the chapter be endorsement of community-organized events, and possibly oversight of coffee funding which is accepted not by the chapter but by an individual organizer if funds are ever needed at all.

One other option that you may want to consider is that of fiscal sponsorship through another Wikimedia affiliate, whether or not you incorporate.  For example, Wikimedia DC recently set up a fiscal sponsorship arrangement with the New England Wikimedians user group, in which WMDC will hold the user group's funds in one of our bank accounts and take care of disbursements, expense reimbursement, and financial bookkeeping and reporting for the user group.  If something along these lines is of interest, I'm certain WMDC would be happy to assist Cascadia as well.

1. If five people either want non-profit status and wish to pay $2500 or seek pro bono filing, then they could do that. Otherwise if the five supporters just wait three years after filing the price and complexity goes way down and they could do the paperwork themselves. Otherwise, the organization could persist indefinitely without nonprofit status and so long as it never touched money there would be no concerns.

Is there actually a change at the three-year mark with regard to the federal 501(c)(3) filing, or is this something specific to non-profits in Washington?  The IRS has done away with the preliminary/final determinations for public charity status; and, as far as I was aware, that was the only real difference for organizations filing earlier or later.

Cheers,

Kirill

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Secretary | Wikimedia District of Columbia

http://wikimediadc.org | @wikimediadc

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