Hi,
On the list archives -- OK, though honestly I'm not sure whether I'm prepared to plow through all the archives.
On the cultural exchange programme -- 20 articles per country seems really ambitious, especially if the point was to have some tangible results within three months. I mean, let's say only China, South Korea and the Philippines nominate 20 articles each. That means our friend from Israel who offered to translate these articles for the Hebrew Wikipedia will have 60 articles to translate. I would suggest about two to three articles for a start, and no more than five per country. Finish these first, and then nominate some more.
Cheers, Jack (Use:Smuconlaw)
I was going to suggest something even more modest and have one article per country/language/wiki. If we can do that minimum successfully then next time we can aim for a higher goal.
Cheers, Craig On 12/08/2013 8:08 PM, "Jack LEE" jacklee@smu.edu.sg wrote:
Hi,
On the list archives -- OK, though honestly I'm not sure whether I'm prepared to plow through all the archives.
On the cultural exchange programme -- 20 articles per country seems really ambitious, especially if the point was to have some tangible results within three months. I mean, let's say only China, South Korea and the Philippines nominate 20 articles each. That means our friend from Israel who offered to translate these articles for the Hebrew Wikipedia will have 60 articles to translate. I would suggest about two to three articles for a start, and no more than five per country. Finish these first, and then nominate some more.
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Well, to be fair, we don't have to plough through the entire list in three months. We could segment the list so that one block can be done within three months, then another block, then another block, etc. Either way, we can tweak this so that it's doable, but we should make sure that this is a high-impact project, hence the ambitious ceiling.
Josh
On Aug 12, 2013, at 8:07 PM, Jack LEE jacklee@smu.edu.sg wrote:
Hi,
On the list archives -- OK, though honestly I'm not sure whether I'm prepared to plow through all the archives.
On the cultural exchange programme -- 20 articles per country seems really ambitious, especially if the point was to have some tangible results within three months. I mean, let's say only China, South Korea and the Philippines nominate 20 articles each. That means our friend from Israel who offered to translate these articles for the Hebrew Wikipedia will have 60 articles to translate. I would suggest about two to three articles for a start, and no more than five per country. Finish these first, and then nominate some more.
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Apologies, sent below email from the wrong address. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Craig Franklin" cfranklin@halonetwork.net Date: 12/08/2013 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Wikipedia Cultural Exchange Programme To: "Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination" < wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org> Cc:
I was going to suggest something even more modest and have one article per country/language/wiki. If we can do that minimum successfully then next time we can aim for a higher goal.
Cheers, Craig On 12/08/2013 8:08 PM, "Jack LEE" jacklee@smu.edu.sg wrote:
Hi,
On the list archives -- OK, though honestly I'm not sure whether I'm prepared to plow through all the archives.
On the cultural exchange programme -- 20 articles per country seems really ambitious, especially if the point was to have some tangible results within three months. I mean, let's say only China, South Korea and the Philippines nominate 20 articles each. That means our friend from Israel who offered to translate these articles for the Hebrew Wikipedia will have 60 articles to translate. I would suggest about two to three articles for a start, and no more than five per country. Finish these first, and then nominate some more.
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20 isnt really that ambitious, the results are measurable irregardless of it being 1 or 100 though I suggest an initial 20 articles that are already on en plus 5 that arent for each language community participating so as to ensure that theres sufficient work to build the momentum the worse thing to happen would be for keen people becoming idle to quickly, losing interest and moving off to other projects, the lists dont need to be expanded until they are being worked through.
On 12 August 2013 20:16, Josh Lim josh.lim@wikimedia.org.ph wrote:
Well, to be fair, we don't have to plough through the entire list in three months. We could segment the list so that one block can be done within three months, then another block, then another block, etc. Either way, we can tweak this so that it's doable, but we should make sure that this is a high-impact project, hence the ambitious ceiling.
Josh
On Aug 12, 2013, at 8:07 PM, Jack LEE jacklee@smu.edu.sg wrote:
Hi,
On the list archives -- OK, though honestly I'm not sure whether I'm prepared to plow through all the archives.
On the cultural exchange programme -- 20 articles per country seems really ambitious, especially if the point was to have some tangible results within three months. I mean, let's say only China, South Korea and the Philippines nominate 20 articles each. That means our friend from Israel who offered to translate these articles for the Hebrew Wikipedia will have 60 articles to translate. I would suggest about two to three articles for a start, and no more than five per country. Finish these first, and then nominate some more.
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'ambitious' or not?
I think it depends on the resource we have and when we want to achieve that. The initial email by Josh has indicated only what we want to achieve.
* In Thailand, we have a number of volunteers capable of translation from EN->TH but relatively smaller number on TH->EN. * In English speaking countries, it is much easier. Perhaps, they could help other non-English speaking countries on translation into English?
In principle, this project should be warmly welcome by readers in many countries. In Thailand, the AEC - "Asian Economic Community" is discussed everywhere. Also, there was a big announcement about "Australia in the Asian Century" - http://asiancentury.dpmc.gov.au I can see high demand from the reader side. However, many of our contributors still do not take it into account.
Cheers, Taweethaも
On 13 August 2013 01:39, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
20 isnt really that ambitious, the results are measurable irregardless of it being 1 or 100 though I suggest an initial 20 articles that are already on en plus 5 that arent for each language community participating so as to ensure that theres sufficient work to build the momentum the worse thing to happen would be for keen people becoming idle to quickly, losing interest and moving off to other projects, the lists dont need to be expanded until they are being worked through.
On 12 August 2013 20:16, Josh Lim josh.lim@wikimedia.org.ph wrote:
Well, to be fair, we don't have to plough through the entire list in three months. We could segment the list so that one block can be done within three months, then another block, then another block, etc. Either way, we can tweak this so that it's doable, but we should make sure that this is a high-impact project, hence the ambitious ceiling.
Josh
On Aug 12, 2013, at 8:07 PM, Jack LEE jacklee@smu.edu.sg wrote:
Hi,
On the list archives -- OK, though honestly I'm not sure whether I'm prepared to plow through all the archives.
On the cultural exchange programme -- 20 articles per country seems really ambitious, especially if the point was to have some tangible results within three months. I mean, let's say only China, South Korea and the Philippines nominate 20 articles each. That means our friend from Israel who offered to translate these articles for the Hebrew Wikipedia will have 60 articles to translate. I would suggest about two to three articles for a start, and no more than five per country. Finish these first, and then nominate some more.
Cheers, Jack (Use:Smuconlaw) _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters
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Secretary (2013-2014), Wikimedia Philippines Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, The Assembly
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Hi Taweetham,
On Aug 13, 2013, at 5:44 AM, KaewWiki@gmail.com wrote:
'ambitious' or not?
I think it depends on the resource we have and when we want to achieve that. The initial email by Josh has indicated only what we want to achieve.
- In Thailand, we have a number of volunteers capable of translation
from EN->TH but relatively smaller number on TH->EN.
- In English speaking countries, it is much easier. Perhaps, they
could help other non-English speaking countries on translation into English?
We agreed in Hong Kong that English Wikipedia editors who are certainly more fluent in English than the rest of us will help clean up our translations and copy-edit participating articles. If, let's say, someone from Thailand were to translate a participating article from Thai to English, he/she shouldn't have to worry about how poor his/her English is, as there is a guarantee someone else will clean it up for him/her.
The number of articles shouldn't be an issue here: we don't have to go through all 20 of them (or more, should countries make longer lists) in three months. The point is that we have a reasonable timeframe upon which we complete the lists, and add onto them if need be should we decide to expand upon this project in the future.
In principle, this project should be warmly welcome by readers in many countries. In Thailand, the AEC - "Asian Economic Community" is discussed everywhere. Also, there was a big announcement about "Australia in the Asian Century" - http://asiancentury.dpmc.gov.au I can see high demand from the reader side. However, many of our contributors still do not take it into account.
Exactly why we are doing this now (and why we should do this now): we talk about the integration of the continent on so many levels, and we both know that the creation of the ASEAN economic community come 2015 is a big thing in Southeast Asia. However, I agree with you that many contributors in Asia are still looking at Wikipedia from a national point of view, and the integrationist rhetoric that we hear here in Asia has largely bypassed the Wikimedia projects. While not bad, it neglects the fact that there is a community outside of the country in question, and perhaps this project will help connect the continent together in some form.
Regards,
Josh
JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Major in Global Politics, Minor in Chinese Studies Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
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Hi, while I wasn't party to the original conversation, I do have my doubts about this project and its scope in India. We have 20 officially recognised languages in our country. Each. Language has an associated culture with it with is unique. Could be quite a headache.
Sent from the touchscreen equivalent of a Nokia 1100, pardon the sender. -- Srikanth Ramakrishnan, Treasurer. On Aug 13, 2013 3:51 PM, "Craig Franklin" cfranklin@halonetwork.net wrote:
Apologies, sent below email from the wrong address. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Craig Franklin" cfranklin@halonetwork.net Date: 12/08/2013 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Wikipedia Cultural Exchange Programme To: "Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination" < wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org> Cc:
I was going to suggest something even more modest and have one article per country/language/wiki. If we can do that minimum successfully then next time we can aim for a higher goal.
Cheers, Craig On 12/08/2013 8:08 PM, "Jack LEE" jacklee@smu.edu.sg wrote:
Hi,
On the list archives -- OK, though honestly I'm not sure whether I'm prepared to plow through all the archives.
On the cultural exchange programme -- 20 articles per country seems really ambitious, especially if the point was to have some tangible results within three months. I mean, let's say only China, South Korea and the Philippines nominate 20 articles each. That means our friend from Israel who offered to translate these articles for the Hebrew Wikipedia will have 60 articles to translate. I would suggest about two to three articles for a start, and no more than five per country. Finish these first, and then nominate some more.
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