Hi Josh,

Can you explain why WMPH choose Lodewijk? Some brief explanation like Rover put will be useful for our consideration :) Same like Yuyu, I guess you know some candidate so well since you actively participate in movement and many international occasions. Any information or maybe your personal point of view is greatly appreciated because I am a bit curious to know the candidates deeper.

2012/4/8 Rover Wong rover@wikimedia.hk

Wikimedia Hong Kong supports WMDE's Alice to be one of the board member. Some of our board members had talked to her in the past. We found that she is really willing to give useful advice for the Wikimedia movement, including the chapters' development. We also think that her experience as WMDE's vice-president would be helpful if she is elected.

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It's good to know that Alice is such a helpful person and she probably

will seat in WMF BoT. Any preference for the second candidate?

BTW, Happy Easter for those who celebrate!!

Regards,

Kartika

Kartika Sari Henry kartika.sari.henry@wikimedia.or.id 於 2012年4月7日下午10:25 寫道：

Hi Jeromy-Yu,

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Some information is available here: in commonshttps://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3ACSBS.pdf&page=9or meta-pagehttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapter-selected_Board_seats/2012/Candidates#Statement_of_support--> we have Craig Franklin and Salmaan Haroon from Asia-Pasific. The other candidates are Alice Wiegand, Patricio Lorente, Liam Wyatt, Raul Gutierrez, Phoebe Ayers, Lodewijk Gelauff. The discussion of candidates is running here: http://chapters.wikimedia.ch/Appointment_process/2012/Criteria_table#Table.

Yuyu, since you are part of Chapters Committee, I am sure you know almost all the candidates long before us, can you also give some review from your own perspective/experience? It should be needed for us to decide :)

Back in Berlin Meeting, I envy the Iberocoop togetherness and starting a lively discussion like this will help Asian Chapters to grow up. Wikimedia Indonesia are willing to stand united. Although we proposed Craig and Salmaan (incidentally they are from Asian Chapters), we open the possibility of supporting other candidates. Whoever are the best candidates for Chapter Selected Board Seat (CSBS), those people will get support from us, but he/she should be able to stand upon Chapters interest and put it in the first place. I hope Asian Chapters do not vote for a candidate only considering the regional similarity, like Iberocoop probably do.

Since I only know Craig and Theo, I can only share some overview about them, # Craig He has a financial background and decentralization perspective. He able to think strategically and investigate the needs of movement in terms of funding distribution. Since, the Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) will be signed by Board of Trustees, we need someone with accounting ability pro decentralized which will help chapter being independent. # Theo Supporting chapters to be independent. And with his personality, he can rock the boat of abstainer and difficult to silent.

I'm looking to hear other opinions about those candidates in this thread! :)

Regards,

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 12:09 AM, Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan < yuyu@wikimedia.hk> wrote:

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Hi all

As I am not on any chapter board, so I may seems stupid to ask this (but actually I dun really had that info)

as I didn't see any candidate from Asia this time (again)

so wondering any Asian Chapter made up their mind to support any candidate yet? (or should not express anything here actually?)

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On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Siska Doviana <siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id

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To add, I believe there are people from Indian chapter and Bangladesh in this list? How do you guys feel?

The Foundation has identified "Global South" countries as a focal point

for the movement's strategic growth internationally. I expect that many of the future Global South programs will target countries in Asia. For that reason alone, we must have community representation on the WMF board to ensure that these programs ultimately empower volunteers, and allow them to autonomously address local and regional concerns.

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Siska Doviana <siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id

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FYI am cool with compromising as long as there are discussion. If not, we can always go individually. So the question is are we going to do this together or not?

Thank you for the response, Siska.

Though I disagree with WMPH's stance on Theo, I do respect their position and am open to considering other candidates. The Indian representation in Berlin indicated their support for Lodewijk and Theo's candidacies, but I am certain WMIN board (and membership) will be amenable to change if the Asian chapters can come to an understanding over the choice of candidates.

I think that the Asian chapters should reason together and attempt to arrive at a consensus.

So, who are the Asian candidates currently running for the board? Do they have substantive opinions on the on-going matters at the WMF which directly concern the Asian communities? Are they vocal about these issues?

I am happy to consider any candidate who can join this list and express themselves coherently regardless of their nationality (outside of Asia as well).

Apparently it would be great if we can suggest one person from Asia to elect for the seat of the board. And I don't think it is still the time we choose a representative from the non Asia country , like European. On Apr 8, 2012 7:41 PM, "Anirudh Bhati" anirudhsbh@gmail.com wrote:

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Siska Doviana < siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:

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To add, I believe there are people from Indian chapter and Bangladesh in this list? How do you guys feel?

The Foundation has identified "Global South" countries as a focal point

for the movement's strategic growth internationally. I expect that many of the future Global South programs will target countries in Asia. For that reason alone, we must have community representation on the WMF board to ensure that these programs ultimately empower volunteers, and allow them to autonomously address local and regional concerns. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Deryck Chan deryckchan@wikimedia.hk wrote:

The main difference between us and Iberocoop is that culturally we're a much more diverse bunch then them, therefore within the Wikimedia sphere our interests are less aligned with each other than they.

I completely agree, that's why I suggested to go as individual chapters as another option.

With neither Craig nor Theo putting representing and developing Asian Wikimedian communities as their main agendum (correct me if I'm wrong), coordinated voting between Asian chapters is probably not in the best interests of individual chapters among us.

But then again what the point of having this list if we keep separating each other? For fun? * it might work too IMHO *

So? One (HK) say we have to go individually for the chapter's best interest, another (India) said we should do this regionally, how about others?

Hi Deryck,

I don't expect the candidates put Asian communities as their main agenda. Candidates should be fair and representing all (or most) chapters if they get elected. Referring to this page,http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_board_manual#Fiduciary_dutiesthe Selected Board will have fiduciary duty.

Under the Board selection procedures, trustees are elected or appointed by

different communities or appointed by the Board directly. Nevertheless, a trustee's fiduciary duties are owed to all of the Foundation, *not to the specific group that elected or appointed the trustee.

Personally, I am willing to reach consensus regionally. At least, so far we only turn in 4 names: Lodewijk, Craig, Alice, and Theo (not so much diverse) :P

Regards,

Kartika

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Deryck Chan deryckchan@wikimedia.hk wrote:

The main difference between us and Iberocoop is that culturally we're a much more diverse bunch then them, therefore within the Wikimedia sphere our interests are less aligned with each other than they.

With neither Craig nor Theo putting representing and developing Asian Wikimedian communities as their main agendum (correct me if I'm wrong), coordinated voting between Asian chapters is probably not in the best interests of individual chapters among us.

Deryck On Apr 8, 2012 7:29 PM, "Siska Doviana" siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id wrote:

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To add, I believe there are people from Indian chapter and Bangladesh in this list? How do you guys feel?

Kartika prompt to me that Asian chapters combine are as equal as Iberocoop in terms of quantity; IN, ID, BD, MK, TW, HK, PH : seven. If we can say Asian chapters decided to vote for X and Y, then it means we can actually function regionally. Or we can choose to do it individually, either way i'm cool with it.

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Dear Colleagues,

I understood that most of us (chapters) have different preferences, and we respect that.

I personally prefer an Asian to be part of the board seats, but from the choices we have today, we much prefer a person who has the most interaction with our chapter.

I think if knew more each other, and also have a brave person from within our Asian chapters vie for that seat in the next selection, most likely we can have a common preference.

It is a good time to discuss mutual regional cooperation first over politics.

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On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Morgan Pak San Chan <morganpschan@gmail.com

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Hi Kartika,

I understand that that the chapters-selected board seat has fiduciary duty, but from the view of Asian chapters, a person who have a good understanding about Asia is needed to cooperate with Asian chapters, and also suit with the movement of foundation for the countries like India.

Lodewijk and Alice are from Euro and i doubt how much they know about Asia.

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Kartika Sari Henry < kartika.sari.henry@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:

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Hi Deryck,

I don't expect the candidates put Asian communities as their main agenda. Candidates should be fair and representing all (or most) chapters if they get elected. Referring to this page,http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_board_manual#Fiduciary_dutiesthe Selected Board will have fiduciary duty.

Under the Board selection procedures, trustees are elected or appointed

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by different communities or appointed by the Board directly. Nevertheless, a trustee's fiduciary duties are owed to all of the Foundation, *not to the specific group that elected or appointed the trustee.

Personally, I am willing to reach consensus regionally. At least, so far we only turn in 4 names: Lodewijk, Craig, Alice, and Theo (not so much diverse) :P

Regards,

Kartika

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Deryck Chan deryckchan@wikimedia.hkwrote:

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The main difference between us and Iberocoop is that culturally we're a much more diverse bunch then them, therefore within the Wikimedia sphere our interests are less aligned with each other than they.

With neither Craig nor Theo putting representing and developing Asian Wikimedian communities as their main agendum (correct me if I'm wrong), coordinated voting between Asian chapters is probably not in the best interests of individual chapters among us.

Deryck On Apr 8, 2012 7:29 PM, "Siska Doviana" siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id wrote:

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To add, I believe there are people from Indian chapter and Bangladesh in this list? How do you guys feel?

Kartika prompt to me that Asian chapters combine are as equal as Iberocoop in terms of quantity; IN, ID, BD, MK, TW, HK, PH : seven. If we can say Asian chapters decided to vote for X and Y, then it means we can actually function regionally. Or we can choose to do it individually, either way i'm cool with it.

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One plus point of conducting a regional effort in this election is that we stand a better chance of winning a candidate. So IMHO it is much more beneficial if we go together than individually.

From all the asian chapters we reached four candidates that get the most attention and support. It should be easier now to reach consensus (if everyone agrees). So now, let's have a consensus on whether we want a consensus or not. :p

We could review all four candidates here and see what's good and what's not about them. I remember Butch and Eugene from WMPH asked why WMID supports Craig in Berlin and Kartika had elaborated that part earlier in this thread, but I also would like to hear why they are against Theo.

And I encourage other chapters to also give their view of the candidates. Bangladesh?

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a few more points want to ad

As if I were a decision maker, I would suggest criteria as follows a. the candidate is geographically from Asia region b. the candidate is familiar with the current situation & historical background of the development of Asian chapters c. the candidate shall be already involved in the regional communication among Asian chapters d. the candidate shall also enjoys a good relationship with chapters & groups in other parts of world

actually I dun have any feeling about the current candidates with an Asian Chapter endorsement as both of them really lack the criteria b c d in my checklist above

one probably even have chance to talk with Asian Chapters in Berlin but seems he/she had not grab the chance according to my knowledge I personally really doubt that he/she will do such things sth that really dun do even he want ask sth (ie even I did see him/her on this list either)

So how much they feel about representing us frankly.

(also worth to ask, if a joint decision is expected, should who intend to nominate to talk more before the nomination with the rest of the list?)

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan <yuyu@wikimedia.hk

wrote:

Hi all

As I am not on the board of WMHK or any other, only personal view and insight here

and frankly I really dunno should I speak anything about my impression on candidates as I know some of them & I don't know the others, and I have much deeper level of communication with some of them.

For myself, Phoebe, Lodewijk & Liam for quite a few years, and we do have lot of opinion exchange.

Personally, I would like to see Phoebe continue to serve on the board, as she is somebody we can really talk with.

Particio & Alice are also among these kinds of people, though I knew them for less years, though we do have constructive conversation on things.

Lodewijk also a good people to support, as he is not only somebody you can talk to, he is also keen to help people and always concern about dormant chapter, I think he might be a good addition on the board (if we can have him, also warning: I know him really well, and lot of personal interest here btw)

The other candidates, to be fair, I would really remain not to comment on them, as I dun know them in person, no opinion exchange with them.

My suggestion base on my impression that as we don't see any candidate really feels and shows his/her support (at least not enough for me) on WM Asia, and even ourselves really lack of enough opinion exchange for a joint decision, I would rather each chapter supports those who can talk with would be the best interest in the matter.

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 2:40 AM, Ivonne Kristiani < ivonne.kristiani@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:

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One plus point of conducting a regional effort in this election is that we stand a better chance of winning a candidate. So IMHO it is much more beneficial if we go together than individually.

From all the asian chapters we reached four candidates that get the most attention and support. It should be easier now to reach consensus (if everyone agrees). So now, let's have a consensus on whether we want a consensus or not. :p

We could review all four candidates here and see what's good and what's not about them. I remember Butch and Eugene from WMPH asked why WMID supports Craig in Berlin and Kartika had elaborated that part earlier in this thread, but I also would like to hear why they are against Theo.

And I encourage other chapters to also give their view of the candidates. Bangladesh?

Regards, Ivonne Sent from my mobile device

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