Hi,
I doubt we can reach 100 in a conference given the sparse participation from Asia. Better we send an open invitation to all interested within the 9000 km radius from Jakarta then we filter the applicants based on their merits with priority from the ESEAP. Number of foreign participants will be based on what WMID can accomodate. Then extend the next set of invitation in lieu to those who backed out and those with visa issues 50 days before the conference.
Butch PH/SG/MY
On Aug 22, 2017 12:12 PM, "Gnangarra" gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with doing a small conference first, I thought that given what is available as venues in Indonesia that a 100 person event over two days all in one hotel(Like Berlin 2017) somewhere would be quite manageable. The target of 50 I thought would be too small to be able to get a good cross section of participants from enough communities. As part of this is going bigger the smaller the initial number the less able we will be to build sufficient momentum for the next one. Also small size can have a negative effect of being seen as an event for those privileged usual suspects.
On 22 August 2017 at 12:03, Biyanto Rebin biyanto.rebin@wikimedia.or.id wrote:
Hello Gideon,
We expect to run ESEAP conference first as ESEAP representative in Wikimedia Conference already discuss it before, so it should be not more than 50 participants, as we would like to increase the community participants in ESEAP region. ESEAP region is also more underrepresented in Wikimedia movements than other community. When we gather together in conference, we miss out people from Brunei, Singapore, Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia, Timor Leste even Vietnam as well as Indonesian and Australian. That's the reason why we should try to do a small conference first, after that we can do together a bigger conference such as Asian Conference. We can start to work with another region and especially Indian community who have established a good event, such as WikiConference India. Is this reasonable for you?
Cheers,
2017-08-22 10:54 GMT+07:00 Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com:
Kaya Ivonne,
I applaud your cautious approach but please could you look to say 100 participants as 50 will see too many people unable to be part of the event especially given the number of communities and just the FB group that were talking last night about this had over 60 participants, I suspect that this mailing list also has more than 50.
Cheers Gideon aka Gnangarra
On 22 August 2017 at 11:44, Ivonne Kristiani < ivonne.kristiani@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
We would love to host Asian Conference, but considering that it will be the first time for WMID to host such a huge regional conference and also taking into account the time span and resources for preparing the conference, we prefer to start small and we cap the participants to 50 people max, from ESEAP. Afterwards, we can discuss about the possibility of hosting a bigger conference.
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Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi 2017-08-21 15:59 GMT+07:00 Roman Bustria Jr. <bustrias@gmail.com>: > Hello, > > Based on the composition of the meetup, interested participants go as > far as Iran and the Levant regions to the west, India, Bangladesh then > Australia to the south. Even communities in Eastern Russia are expressed > interest to join. > > If this will come to possibility, it will be the most diverse wikimedia > regional conference. > > Butch > PH/SG/MY > > On Aug 21, 2017 4:21 PM, "Ivonne Kristiani" < > ivonne.kristiani@wikimedia.or.id> wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> Yes, there have been previous conversations regarding ESEAP (East and >> South East Asia Pacific) regional conference and Wikimedia Indonesia has >> offered to support by becoming a host to this event. WMID is still >> committed to hosting this next year. Our small team has even write a >> proposed budget and form a core committee. The proposal writing team is >> supposed to write the proposal grant and submit it around end of September >> or early October. >> >> Can the admin of this list please add Biyanto? Apparently he is not on >> the list, his email is biyanto.rebin@wikimedia.or.id. Thanks! >> >> -- >> Ivonne Kristiani | Wakil Ketua (*Deputy Chair*) 2017-2018 >> Wikimedia Indonesia >> Ph. +628 96 434 28 091 >> ~~~~ >> Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: >> http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi >> >> >> >> 2017-08-21 14:07 GMT+07:00 Gnangarra <gnangarra@gmail.com>: >> >>> Please I'm not trying to take it away from Indonesia, just think its >>> an important event that we need to hold for our region and that we need to >>> get on to it sooner if we are to get funding for an event in 2018 >>> >>> There are a lot of hoops to jump through and the application for >>> funding process as understood from berlin notification and discussions is >>> that at least 3 months for funding discussion noting that things slow down >>> over the december period, 3 months for scholarship and call for papers. >>> >>> Once we add to that planning, costing those little details we'll need >>> for the fund application thats putting us well into 2018., We dont want to >>> conflict with Wikimania there goes june to august, too close means people >>> cant attend both. >>> >>> We loose late march early april to Berlin though thats a great >>> opportunity to get some speakers and advice. we have two windows. left even >>> starting today late April to early June or August to October >>> >>> Yes I acknowledge culturally I'm a little more pushy than most I do >>> try to temper that, sometimes I my english is difficult so please forgive me >>> >>> On 21 August 2017 at 14:41, Tanweer Morshed <wiki.tanweer@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Most of the participants at this year's Wikimania Asia meetup >>>> favored for Indonesia. That's okay, but there's another point about hosting >>>> it in Australia. Australia's visa policy might result in a reduced number >>>> of participation from Asian communities, since that is not as generous as >>>> that of Indonesia. So this need to be kept in mind. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sunday, August 20, 2017, Gnangarra <gnangarra@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > Australias offer is only if Indonesia dosnt want to proceed, I was >>>> at the Berlin meetup where it was put forward and fully support Indonesia >>>> hosting the event... What ever the out we do need to ensure we get >>>> something happening for our communities locally soon as hosting a larger >>>> event in the region apparently is needed now before a wikimania can be >>>> hosted >>>> > On 21 August 2017 at 11:42, Roman Bustria Jr. <bustrias@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Hi, >>>> >> Based in the meetup minutes, there was an intent from Indonesia. >>>> But if Australia also intent to host too then it is best that we plan this >>>> as early as possible as the 1 hour meetup in Berlin and in Wikimania is too >>>> short. >>>> >> >>>> >> Butch Bustria >>>> >> PH/SG/MY >>>> >> https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Asia_meetup >>>> >> >>>> >> On Aug 21, 2017 9:48 AM, "Gnangarra" <gnangarra@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Australia is still happy to help, or even host >>>> >> On 21 August 2017 at 09:45, cs <cs@edubkk.org> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Keep me posted on the Asian regional conference. >>>> >>> Kudpung >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On 21Aug, 2017, at 06:15, Deryck Chan <deryckchan@wikimedia.hk> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>> Hello Asian Wikimedians, >>>> >>> If you're new to this mailing list, welcome! If you've been here >>>> since last year or earlier, welcome back! >>>> >>> We had a meetup at Wikimania 2017 to talk about Asian Wikimedian >>>> collaboration in the coming year. Notes of the meeting are here: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Asia_meetup >>>> >>> >>>> >>> There's also a category for photos taken during this event: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Asia_m >>>> eetup_at_Wikimania_2017 >>>> >>> >>>> >>> According to the meeting, there will be Wikimedia Asia Month as >>>> usual. We're also trying to do a Wikimedia Asia regional conference, likely >>>> in Indonesia. The various organisers will get make announcements on this >>>> mailing list in due course. >>>> >>> Great to meet you all! >>>> >>> Deryck >>>> >>> (Wikimedia Asia listadmin for wiki-historical reasons, actually >>>> lives in England) >>>> >>> [[User:Deryck Chan]] >>>> >>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list >>>> >>> Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia- >>>> chapters >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list >>>> >>> Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia- >>>> chapters >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> GN. >>>> >> President Wikimedia Australia >>>> >> WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra >>>> >> Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list >>>> >> Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia- >>>> chapters >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list >>>> >> Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia- >>>> chapters >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > GN. >>>> > President Wikimedia Australia >>>> > WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra >>>> > Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com >>>> > <https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/iSL6ZpLt5ZMnmX6tOaz >>>> 8ARvtpGr3V9p6YB2TJcqd7R3vVS0KlyJZ0NZnLQ0sHLwai334yRhvxPQEAJE >>>> gTVM6W_HOOEPqUzKGhizLRn8WDJgD7VzgKIMgsNLroP1w=s0-d-e1-ft#htt >>>> p://awards.stateheritage.wa.gov.au/WAH2014/images/award_finalist.jpg >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Regards, >>>> Tanweer >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list >>>> Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> GN. >>> President Wikimedia Australia >>> WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra >>> Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list >>> Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list >> Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list > Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters > > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters-- GN. 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Hi, I doubt we can reach 100 in a conference given the sparse participation from Asia. Better we send an open invitation to all interested within the 9000 km radius from Jakarta then we filter the applicants based on their merits with priority from the ESEAP. Number of foreign participants will be based on what WMID can accomodate. Then extend the next set of invitation in lieu to those who backed out and those with visa issues 50 days before the conference. ButchPH/SG/MY On Aug 22, 2017 12:12 PM, "Gnangarra" <gnangarra@gmail.com> wrote:I agree with doing a small conference first, I thought that given what is available as venues in Indonesia that a 100 person event over two days all in one hotel(Like Berlin 2017) somewhere would be quite manageable. The target of 50 I thought would be too small to be able to get a good cross section of participants from enough communities. As part of this is going bigger the smaller the initial number the less able we will be to build sufficient momentum for the next one. Also small size can have a negative effect of being seen as an event for those privileged usual suspects. On 22 August 2017 at 12:03, Biyanto Rebin <biyanto.rebin@wikimedia.or.id> wrote: Hello Gideon, We expect to run ESEAP conference first as ESEAP representative in Wikimedia Conference already discuss it before, so it should be not more than 50 participants, as we would like to increase the community participants in ESEAP region. ESEAP region is also more underrepresented in Wikimedia movements than other community. When we gather together in conference, we miss out people from Brunei, Singapore, Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia, Timor Leste even Vietnam as well as Indonesian and Australian. That's the reason why we should try to do a small conference first, after that we can do together a bigger conference such as Asian Conference. We can start to work with another region and especially Indian community who have established a good event, such as WikiConference India. Is this reasonable for you? Cheers, 2017-08-22 10:54 GMT+07:00 Gnangarra <gnangarra@gmail.com>: Kaya Ivonne, I applaud your cautious approach but please could you look to say 100 participants as 50 will see too many people unable to be part of the event especially given the number of communities and just the FB group that were talking last night about this had over 60 participants, I suspect that this mailing list also has more than 50. CheersGideon aka Gnangarra On 22 August 2017 at 11:44, Ivonne Kristiani <ivonne.kristiani@wikimedia.or.id> wrote: We would love to host Asian Conference, but considering that it will be the first time for WMID to host such a huge regional conference and also taking into account the time span and resources for preparing the conference, we prefer to start small and we cap the participants to 50 people max, from ESEAP. Afterwards, we can discuss about the possibility of hosting a bigger conference.-- Ivonne Kristiani | Wakil Ketua (Deputy Chair) 2017-2018Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +628 96 434 28 091~~~~ Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi
2017-08-21 15:59 GMT+07:00 Roman Bustria Jr. <bustrias@gmail.com>: Hello, Based on the composition of the meetup, interested participants go as far as Iran and the Levant regions to the west, India, Bangladesh then Australia to the south. Even communities in Eastern Russia are expressed interest to join. If this will come to possibility, it will be the most diverse wikimedia regional conference. ButchPH/SG/MY On Aug 21, 2017 4:21 PM, "Ivonne Kristiani" <ivonne.kristiani@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:Hello everyone, Yes, there have been previous conversations regarding ESEAP (East and South East Asia Pacific) regional conference and Wikimedia Indonesia has offered to support by becoming a host to this event. WMID is still committed to hosting this next year. Our small team has even write a proposed budget and form a core committee. The proposal writing team is supposed to write the proposal grant and submit it around end of September or early October. Can the admin of this list please add Biyanto? Apparently he is not on the list, his email is biyanto.rebin@wikimedia.or.id. Thanks!-- Ivonne Kristiani | Wakil Ketua (Deputy Chair) 2017-2018Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +628 96 434 28 091~~~~ Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi
2017-08-21 14:07 GMT+07:00 Gnangarra <gnangarra@gmail.com>: Please I'm not trying to take it away from Indonesia, just think its an important event that we need to hold for our region and that we need to get on to it sooner if we are to get funding for an event in 2018 There are a lot of hoops to jump through and the application for funding process as understood from berlin notification and discussions is that at least 3 months for funding discussion noting that things slow down over the december period, 3 months for scholarship and call for papers. Once we add to that planning, costing those little details we'll need for the fund application thats putting us well into 2018., We dont want to conflict with Wikimania there goes june to august, too close means people cant attend both. We loose late march early april to Berlin though thats a great opportunity to get some speakers and advice. we have two windows. left even starting today late April to early June or August to October Yes I acknowledge culturally I'm a little more pushy than most I do try to temper that, sometimes I my english is difficult so please forgive me On 21 August 2017 at 14:41, Tanweer Morshed <wiki.tanweer@gmail.com> wrote: Most of the participants at this year's Wikimania Asia meetup favored for Indonesia. That's okay, but there's another point about hosting it in Australia. Australia's visa policy might result in a reduced number of participation from Asian communities, since that is not as generous as that of Indonesia. So this need to be kept in mind.
On Sunday, August 20, 2017, Gnangarra <gnangarra@gmail.com> wrote: > Australias offer is only if Indonesia dosnt want to proceed, I was at the Berlin meetup where it was put forward and fully support Indonesia hosting the event... What ever the out we do need to ensure we get something happening for our communities locally soon as hosting a larger event in the region apparently is needed now before a wikimania can be hosted > On 21 August 2017 at 11:42, Roman Bustria Jr. <bustrias@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> Based in the meetup minutes, there was an intent from Indonesia. But if Australia also intent to host too then it is best that we plan this as early as possible as the 1 hour meetup in Berlin and in Wikimania is too short. >> >> Butch Bustria >> PH/SG/MY >> https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Asia_meetup >> >> On Aug 21, 2017 9:48 AM, "Gnangarra" <gnangarra@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Australia is still happy to help, or even host >> On 21 August 2017 at 09:45, cs <cs@edubkk.org> wrote: >>> >>> Keep me posted on the Asian regional conference. >>> Kudpung >>> >>> On 21Aug, 2017, at 06:15, Deryck Chan <deryckchan@wikimedia.hk> wrote: >>> Hello Asian Wikimedians, >>> If you're new to this mailing list, welcome! If you've been here since last year or earlier, welcome back! >>> We had a meetup at Wikimania 2017 to talk about Asian Wikimedian collaboration in the coming year. Notes of the meeting are here: >>> >>> https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Asia_meetup >>> >>> There's also a category for photos taken during this event: >>> >>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Asia_meetup_at_Wikiman... >>> >>> According to the meeting, there will be Wikimedia Asia Month as usual. We're also trying to do a Wikimedia Asia regional conference, likely in Indonesia. The various organisers will get make announcements on this mailing list in due course. >>> Great to meet you all! >>> Deryck >>> (Wikimedia Asia listadmin for wiki-historical reasons, actually lives in England) >>> [[User:Deryck Chan]] >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list >>> Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list >>> Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> GN. >> President Wikimedia Australia >> WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra >> Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list >> Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list >> Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters >> > > > > -- > GN. > President Wikimedia Australia > WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra > Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com > <https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/iSL6ZpLt5ZMnmX6tOaz8ARvtpGr3V9p6YB2T...; >
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