Good idea. But we have to consider about the city, because unlike Europe, Asian countries are separated.

Kevin

(2012/11/13 0:16), Josh Lim wrote:

Hi guys,

There's talk right now on the Facebook group about a proposed Asian Wikimedia meeting, similar to the Central and Eastern Europe meeting held last year in Belgrade. What do you guys think?

For reference, information on the CEE meeting may be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2012.

Regards,

Josh

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I agree with Tomo regarding visa policy. In addition to four countries mentioned, I'd like to add http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Singapore to the list as well.

As far as I know, Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand are probably the best locations if you consider availability of low-cost airline connections. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_low-cost_airlines#Asia

However, I have to admit that we don't have the capacity to organize an international event on our own. We can only help you book a reasonable accommodation and venue. What do you think of this?

Taweetham@thwp

On 13 November 2012 03:58, Tomoaki Suzuki tmoszk@gmail.com wrote:

I too, think it's a fabulous idea for us to get together in our cities. As Kevin said, selecting a hosting city is one of the most important point for successful convention.

My recommendation, in addition to Hong Kong, which was mentioned on Facebook, is the following four countries, as they have generous visa policy and direct flights from most Asian countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_South_Korean_citizens#Asi...

• South Korea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_the_Philippines - Philippines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Thailand Thailand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Malaysia - Malaysia

We also need to consider how well the local hosting group is organized. For me, Hong Kong, Philippines, and South Korea seem to exceed among those in this regard. Anyone from these countries who are willing to welcome Asian Wikimedians?

Tomo (Tomo_suzuki@jawp)

2012/11/12 Doraemon ka360@live.hk

...

Good idea. But we have to consider about the city, because unlike Europe, Asian countries are separated.

Kevin

(2012/11/13 0:16), Josh Lim wrote:

Hi guys,

There's talk right now on the Facebook group about a proposed Asian Wikimedia meeting, similar to the Central and Eastern Europe meeting held last year in Belgrade. What do you guys think?

For reference, information on the CEE meeting may be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2012.

Regards,

Josh

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I agree Singapore is also a good option, as it is readily accessable by everyone,

Hong Kong would give the organsiors of Wikimania a chance to test on smaller scale with less pressure to perform, though could also have a negative affect on local sponsors, causing a drain on local resources.

The malaysia visa concern raise is something that would need to be checked,

Thailand, Philipines are both options....

Why not just see what each place can organise before the end of the year 31 Dec, run with the best option decided by mid 15 Jan that give a clear 4 months to organise.

For those that dont know I'm Australia and its too expensive, we lack sufficient available accommodation and cheep flights to Perth to even suggest here Gnangarra

On 13 November 2012 06:15, Taweetham taweetham@gmail.com wrote:

BTW, for those who went to Israel (Wikimania 2011) and got any stamps or visa labels from there, you probably need to be apprehensive about going to Malaysia.

On 13 November 2012 09:08, Taweetham taweetham@gmail.com wrote:

...

I agree with Tomo regarding visa policy. In addition to four countries mentioned, I'd like to add http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Singapore to the list as well.

As far as I know, Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand are probably the best locations if you consider availability of low-cost airline connections. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_low-cost_airlines#Asia

However, I have to admit that we don't have the capacity to organize an international event on our own. We can only help you book a reasonable accommodation and venue. What do you think of this?

Taweetham@thwp

On 13 November 2012 03:58, Tomoaki Suzuki tmoszk@gmail.com wrote:

...

I too, think it's a fabulous idea for us to get together in our cities. As Kevin said, selecting a hosting city is one of the most important

point

...

...

for successful convention.

My recommendation, in addition to Hong Kong, which was mentioned on Facebook, is the following four countries, as they have generous visa

policy

...

...

and direct flights from most Asian countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_South_Korean_citizens#Asi...

...

...

• South Korea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_the_Philippines -

Philippines

...

...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Thailand Thailand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Malaysia - Malaysia

We also need to consider how well the local hosting group is organized.

For

...

...

me, Hong Kong, Philippines, and South Korea seem to exceed among those

in

...

...

this regard. Anyone from these countries who are willing to welcome

Asian

...

...

Wikimedians?

Tomo (Tomo_suzuki@jawp)

2012/11/12 Doraemon ka360@live.hk

...

Good idea. But we have to consider about the city, because unlike

Europe,

...

...

...

Asian countries are separated.

Kevin

(2012/11/13 0:16), Josh Lim wrote:

Hi guys,

There's talk right now on the Facebook group about a proposed Asian Wikimedia meeting, similar to the Central and Eastern Europe meeting

held

...

...

...

last year in Belgrade. What do you guys think?

For reference, information on the CEE meeting may be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2012.

Regards,

Josh

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For cultural reasons, I do not consider Australia as part of South East Asia. Geographically, Australians may consider themselves part of Asia, but in my opinion it stops there. Help from the rich Australia chapter is however always welcome for the poorer, Asian language Wikis that outside India appear to be largely ignored by the Foundation.

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On 13 Nov 2012, at 06:40, Gnangarra wrote:

I agree Singapore is also a good option, as it is readily accessable by everyone,

Hong Kong would give the organsiors of Wikimania a chance to test on smaller scale with less pressure to perform, though could also have a negative affect on local sponsors, causing a drain on local resources.

The malaysia visa concern raise is something that would need to be checked,

Thailand, Philipines are both options....

Why not just see what each place can organise before the end of the year 31 Dec, run with the best option decided by mid 15 Jan that give a clear 4 months to organise.

For those that dont know I'm Australia and its too expensive, we lack sufficient available accommodation and cheep flights to Perth to even suggest here Gnangarra

On 13 November 2012 06:15, Taweetham taweetham@gmail.com wrote: BTW, for those who went to Israel (Wikimania 2011) and got any stamps or visa labels from there, you probably need to be apprehensive about going to Malaysia.

On 13 November 2012 09:08, Taweetham taweetham@gmail.com wrote:

...

I agree with Tomo regarding visa policy. In addition to four countries mentioned, I'd like to add http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Singapore to the list as well.

As far as I know, Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand are probably the best locations if you consider availability of low-cost airline connections. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_low-cost_airlines#Asia

However, I have to admit that we don't have the capacity to organize an international event on our own. We can only help you book a reasonable accommodation and venue. What do you think of this?

Taweetham@thwp

On 13 November 2012 03:58, Tomoaki Suzuki tmoszk@gmail.com wrote:

...

I too, think it's a fabulous idea for us to get together in our cities. As Kevin said, selecting a hosting city is one of the most important point for successful convention.

My recommendation, in addition to Hong Kong, which was mentioned on Facebook, is the following four countries, as they have generous visa policy and direct flights from most Asian countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_South_Korean_citizens#Asi...

• South Korea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_the_Philippines - Philippines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Thailand Thailand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Malaysia - Malaysia

We also need to consider how well the local hosting group is organized. For me, Hong Kong, Philippines, and South Korea seem to exceed among those in this regard. Anyone from these countries who are willing to welcome Asian Wikimedians?

Tomo (Tomo_suzuki@jawp)

2012/11/12 Doraemon ka360@live.hk

...

Good idea. But we have to consider about the city, because unlike Europe, Asian countries are separated.

Kevin

(2012/11/13 0:16), Josh Lim wrote:

Hi guys,

There's talk right now on the Facebook group about a proposed Asian Wikimedia meeting, similar to the Central and Eastern Europe meeting held last year in Belgrade. What do you guys think?

For reference, information on the CEE meeting may be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2012.

Regards,

Josh

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As an idea - seeing as Wikimania will be in Hong Kong, would it be preferable to focus on that in 2013 and have an Asian Wikimedia meeting in 2014?

Many people/chapters have limited resources and may have to choose between an Asian Wikimedia meeting and WM2013.

Another option is to choose a location which has a short, cheap, high traffic route to Hong Kong (such as Singapore or Kuala Lumpur) and have the meeting the week before or after WM2013? Similar to what New York did with Wikimania Takes Manhattan this year.

Regards,

Charles

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:

I agree Singapore is also a good option, as it is readily accessable by everyone,

Hong Kong would give the organsiors of Wikimania a chance to test on smaller scale with less pressure to perform, though could also have a negative affect on local sponsors, causing a drain on local resources.

The malaysia visa concern raise is something that would need to be checked,

Thailand, Philipines are both options....

Why not just see what each place can organise before the end of the year 31 Dec, run with the best option decided by mid 15 Jan that give a clear 4 months to organise.

For those that dont know I'm Australia and its too expensive, we lack sufficient available accommodation and cheep flights to Perth to even suggest here Gnangarra

On 13 November 2012 06:15, Taweetham taweetham@gmail.com wrote:

...

BTW, for those who went to Israel (Wikimania 2011) and got any stamps or visa labels from there, you probably need to be apprehensive about going to Malaysia.

On 13 November 2012 09:08, Taweetham taweetham@gmail.com wrote:

...

I agree with Tomo regarding visa policy. In addition to four countries mentioned, I'd like to add http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Singapore to the list as well.

As far as I know, Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand are probably the best locations if you consider availability of low-cost airline connections. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_low-cost_airlines#Asia

However, I have to admit that we don't have the capacity to organize an international event on our own. We can only help you book a reasonable accommodation and venue. What do you think of this?

Taweetham@thwp

On 13 November 2012 03:58, Tomoaki Suzuki tmoszk@gmail.com wrote:

...

I too, think it's a fabulous idea for us to get together in our cities. As Kevin said, selecting a hosting city is one of the most important

point

...

...

for successful convention.

My recommendation, in addition to Hong Kong, which was mentioned on Facebook, is the following four countries, as they have generous visa

policy

...

...

and direct flights from most Asian countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_South_Korean_citizens#Asi...

...

...

• South Korea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_the_Philippines -

Philippines

...

...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Thailand Thailand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Malaysia - Malaysia

We also need to consider how well the local hosting group is

organized. For

...

...

me, Hong Kong, Philippines, and South Korea seem to exceed among those

in

...

...

this regard. Anyone from these countries who are willing to welcome

Asian

...

...

Wikimedians?

Tomo (Tomo_suzuki@jawp)

2012/11/12 Doraemon ka360@live.hk

...

Good idea. But we have to consider about the city, because unlike

Europe,

...

...

...

Asian countries are separated.

Kevin

(2012/11/13 0:16), Josh Lim wrote:

Hi guys,

There's talk right now on the Facebook group about a proposed Asian Wikimedia meeting, similar to the Central and Eastern Europe meeting

held

...

...

...

last year in Belgrade. What do you guys think?

For reference, information on the CEE meeting may be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2012.

Regards,

Josh

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I think there are two separate points:

A. Cost of travel, accommodation, venue, visa, etc. It really depends on how long we are going to stay and how many people from each country are attending. However, I believe that Kuala Lumpur, Singapore and Bangkok are competitive for in this respect.

B. Benefit/Burden to local people You can think of the meeting as a benefit or a burden to the host if there is an interaction with the local. For Bangkok, I can't guarantee that my colleagues or I will present there physically. However, we can help you to find reasonable ticket/accommodation and offer some tips to avoid troubles (getting ripped off or food poisoning).

I agree with John in general that we should move around if possible. If a chapter or local group exists, we can and should definitely interact with them. However, if it doesn't exist yet, we perhaps need to demonstrate to them how it looks like. But bear in mind the language and cultural differences! Many local contributors do not speak English and have various opinions that you may find them strange.

Whether Australia should be part of Asia is always a hotly debate subject. I don't know the answer but I'd like to draw your attention to (1) the Australian government recent white paper: http://www.pm.gov.au/press-office/australia-asian-century-white-paper-austra... "All students will have continuous access to a priority Asian language—Chinese (Mandarin), Hindi, Indonesian and Japanese." (2) the contribution statistics: http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageEditsPerLanguageB... http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageViewsPerLanguageB... Australia is listed under Chinese, Cantonese, Korean, and Tamil Wikipedias.

Taweetham

On 13 November 2012 12:27, John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:

Siska and I are going to be in Bangkok before and after Wikimania.

User:JJ_Harrison is going to be in Thailand next year.

I think we could organise a meeting in Bangkok for local people who cant attend Wikimania.

It would be good to organise an event each year in an Asian country that doesnt have a chapter, where international attendees are helped by the locals but not like a conference where everything is taken care of - the international attendees take care of their own bookings etc. This will help those countries develop a core group who can start a chapter.

John Vandenberg. sent from Galaxy Note

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On 12 Nov 2012, at 22:16, Josh Lim wrote:

Hi guys,

There's talk right now on the Facebook group about a proposed Asian Wikimedia meeting, similar to the Central and Eastern Europe meeting held last year in Belgrade. What do you guys think?

For reference, information on the CEE meeting may be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2012.

Regards,

Josh

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Dear Wikimedians,

Greetings from India . It is great to see lot of discussion around an Asia meetup. Should we have our conversations in a focused manner on a meta page?

So far the conversations seem to veer around:

When Where Funding Australia and Asia

Are we looking at a small gathering like the chapters meeting in Germany or a larger group of wikimedians from the region?

Should we start a page at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Asiapac_Meeting and start by defining its goal and objectives?

We should do as an annual event in APAC. In my view the need is compelling.

regards Arun

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On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:

El 13/11/2012, a las 08:50, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง kudpung.wikipedia@gmail.com escribió:

Anywhere else, especially the Philippines, would be far too far away even for me here in Thailand.

Manila is 1,361 miles from Bangkok. Jakarta is even farther, at 1,420 miles. As I was recently in Thailand, I can easily say that the Philippines is not as far as you claim it is.

(On the other hand, it would beneficial if we had a more central location. Based on my calculations, the most central location is Vietnam. But economically, the cost of having a meeting in the Philippines, or even Indonesia, offsets the distance, as it would be cheaper to hold a meeting there than in Singapore or Malaysia.)

Currently the effort is on creating a Thai work group, if not immediately a chapter, in order to secure scholarships for Thai editors to go to 'fairly' nearby Wikimania in Hong Kong next year.

If it helps, Wikimedia Philippines contemplated establishing a fund to disburse scholarships to Wikimania for both Filipino and Southeast Asian Wikipedians in the past. It's allocated as part of our proposed budget for 2013, and should it push through we'll inform people in due time. (But don't keep your hopes up though.)

ASAIK, Thai Wikipedians were not present in Washinton.

I believe the only Southeast Asians at Wikimania this year was a Filipino (the treasurer of Wikimedia Philippines), a Malaysian, and I believe 1-2 Vietnamese people. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

If we are to consider though the general definition of what this mailing list is for (which is for everyone in Asia, from Turkey to Australia and Russia to Indonesia), there were quite a number of Asian people there: this was evidenced at the number of people who attended the Wikimedia Asia lunch at Wikimania.

Josh

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Siska started a page on Meta last year: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Asian_Chapters_Meeting. We can probably use that as a basis.

Josh

El 13/11/2012, a las 10:59, Arun Ramarathnam arunram25@gmail.com escribió:

Dear Wikimedians,

Greetings from India . It is great to see lot of discussion around an Asia meetup. Should we have our conversations in a focused manner on a meta page?

So far the conversations seem to veer around:

When Where Funding Australia and Asia

Are we looking at a small gathering like the chapters meeting in Germany or a larger group of wikimedians from the region?

Should we start a page at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Asiapac_Meeting and start by defining its goal and objectives?

We should do as an annual event in APAC. In my view the need is compelling.

regards Arun

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On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote: El 13/11/2012, a las 08:50, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง kudpung.wikipedia@gmail.com escribió:

...

Anywhere else, especially the Philippines, would be far too far away even for me here in Thailand.

Manila is 1,361 miles from Bangkok. Jakarta is even farther, at 1,420 miles. As I was recently in Thailand, I can easily say that the Philippines is not as far as you claim it is.

(On the other hand, it would beneficial if we had a more central location. Based on my calculations, the most central location is Vietnam. But economically, the cost of having a meeting in the Philippines, or even Indonesia, offsets the distance, as it would be cheaper to hold a meeting there than in Singapore or Malaysia.)

...

Currently the effort is on creating a Thai work group, if not immediately a chapter, in order to secure scholarships for Thai editors to go to 'fairly' nearby Wikimania in Hong Kong next year.

If it helps, Wikimedia Philippines contemplated establishing a fund to disburse scholarships to Wikimania for both Filipino and Southeast Asian Wikipedians in the past. It's allocated as part of our proposed budget for 2013, and should it push through we'll inform people in due time. (But don't keep your hopes up though.)

...

ASAIK, Thai Wikipedians were not present in Washinton.

I believe the only Southeast Asians at Wikimania this year was a Filipino (the treasurer of Wikimedia Philippines), a Malaysian, and I believe 1-2 Vietnamese people. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

If we are to consider though the general definition of what this mailing list is for (which is for everyone in Asia, from Turkey to Australia and Russia to Indonesia), there were quite a number of Asian people there: this was evidenced at the number of people who attended the Wikimedia Asia lunch at Wikimania.

Josh

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Here you go mardetanha ;)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/wikimedia.asia/?ref=ts&fref=ts

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Mardetanha mardetanha.wiki@gmail.comwrote:

can someone please point me to the facebook page ?

Mardetanha

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.comwrote:

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Siska started a page on Meta last year: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Asian_Chapters_Meeting. We can probably use that as a basis.

Josh

El 13/11/2012, a las 10:59, Arun Ramarathnam arunram25@gmail.com escribió:

Dear Wikimedians,

Greetings from India . It is great to see lot of discussion around an Asia meetup. Should we have our conversations in a focused manner on a meta page?

So far the conversations seem to veer around:

When Where Funding Australia and Asia

Are we looking at a small gathering like the chapters meeting in Germany or a larger group of wikimedians from the region?

Should we start a page at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Asiapac_Meeting and start by defining its goal and objectives?

We should do as an annual event in APAC. In my view the need is compelling.

regards Arun

Arun Ramarathnam Bangalore, India www.arunram.net | www.twitter.com/arunram

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.comwrote:

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El 13/11/2012, a las 08:50, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง kudpung.wikipedia@gmail.com escribió:

Anywhere else, especially the Philippines, would be far too far away even for me here in Thailand.

Manila is 1,361 miles from Bangkok. Jakarta is even farther, at 1,420 miles. As I was recently in Thailand, I can easily say that the Philippines is not as far as you claim it is.

(On the other hand, it would beneficial if we had a more central location. Based on my calculations, the most central location is Vietnam. But economically, the cost of having a meeting in the Philippines, or even Indonesia, offsets the distance, as it would be cheaper to hold a meeting there than in Singapore or Malaysia.)

Currently the effort is on creating a Thai work group, if not immediately a chapter, in order to secure scholarships for Thai editors to go to 'fairly' nearby Wikimania in Hong Kong next year.

If it helps, Wikimedia Philippines contemplated establishing a fund to disburse scholarships to Wikimania for both Filipino and Southeast Asian Wikipedians in the past. It's allocated as part of our proposed budget for 2013, and should it push through we'll inform people in due time. (But don't keep your hopes up though.)

ASAIK, Thai Wikipedians were not present in Washinton.

I believe the only Southeast Asians at Wikimania this year was a Filipino (the treasurer of Wikimedia Philippines), a Malaysian, and I believe 1-2 Vietnamese people. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

If we are to consider though the general definition of what this mailing list is for (which is for everyone in Asia, from Turkey to Australia and Russia to Indonesia), there were quite a number of Asian people there: this was evidenced at the number of people who attended the Wikimedia Asia lunch at Wikimania.

Josh

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On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง < kudpung.wikipedia@gmail.com> wrote:

They were extremely poorly represented at Wikimania DC.

I would dispute the claim.

However, an event organized on the lines of Wikimedia CEE, or even a regional Wikimedia conference would (and should) have a separate budget available for scholarships for proper representation of our regional volunteers.

I was in Washington and on the last day there was at short notice an impromptu Wiki Asia meetup lunch organised which was attended by over 20 people, it was from that group that this mailing list was started. There was also many people who had other arrangements or hadnt even got the message that didnt attend. I think there is a misconception that not many people attended, when the reality would be more like judging the size of an iceberg from what is seen above the water only.

One thing I do suggest is that then when people are moving around the region for whatever reason we should be encouraging them to allow a couple of hours to meet the locals if at all possible.

CHeers Gnangarra

On 13 November 2012 20:18, John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:

The WMF explained their scholarship distribution like this:

a) Asia and Pacific were grouped together.

b) That grouping recieved the appropriate number of scholarships.

They provided a per-country breakdown of scholarships on meta.

We should build a list of Wikimedians who havent gone to Wikimania yet and help them get the scholarships.

John Vandenberg. sent from Galaxy Note On Nov 13, 2012 6:47 PM, "Kudpung กุดผึ้ง" kudpung.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:

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Those who organise the various Wikimanias tend to ignore the fact that people in developing or emerging economies only have a fraction of the spending power of those in Western style countries. There are 'islands ' of Western level economy in Asia such as Taiwan, S. Korea, HK, and Singapore, but foreign travel is almost out of the question for the majority of citizens of Thailand, Burma, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, and perhaps Malaysia, and Indonesia and countries of the Indian sub continent.

Until the Foundation is prepared to rethink its scholarship funding in order to bring it in line with its Global South policy, with the paucity of funding available for the travel of volunteer Wikipedians compared to the massive travel budgets allowed for Foundation employees, in my opinion the effort should be to concentrate on getting Asian editors to Wikimania Hong Kong. They were extremely poorly represented at Wikimania DC.

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On 13 Nov 2012, at 07:59, Charles Gregory wrote:

As an idea - seeing as Wikimania will be in Hong Kong, would it be preferable to focus on that in 2013 and have an Asian Wikimedia meeting in 2014?

Many people/chapters have limited resources and may have to choose between an Asian Wikimedia meeting and WM2013.

Another option is to choose a location which has a short, cheap, high traffic route to Hong Kong (such as Singapore or Kuala Lumpur) and have the meeting the week before or after WM2013? Similar to what New York did with Wikimania Takes Manhattan this year.

Regards,

Charles

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:

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I agree Singapore is also a good option, as it is readily accessable by everyone,

Hong Kong would give the organsiors of Wikimania a chance to test on smaller scale with less pressure to perform, though could also have a negative affect on local sponsors, causing a drain on local resources.

The malaysia visa concern raise is something that would need to be checked,

Thailand, Philipines are both options....

Why not just see what each place can organise before the end of the year 31 Dec, run with the best option decided by mid 15 Jan that give a clear 4 months to organise.

For those that dont know I'm Australia and its too expensive, we lack sufficient available accommodation and cheep flights to Perth to even suggest here Gnangarra

On 13 November 2012 06:15, Taweetham taweetham@gmail.com wrote:

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BTW, for those who went to Israel (Wikimania 2011) and got any stamps or visa labels from there, you probably need to be apprehensive about going to Malaysia.

On 13 November 2012 09:08, Taweetham taweetham@gmail.com wrote:

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I agree with Tomo regarding visa policy. In addition to four countries mentioned, I'd like to add http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Singapore to the list as well.

As far as I know, Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand are probably the best locations if you consider availability of low-cost airline connections. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_low-cost_airlines#Asia

However, I have to admit that we don't have the capacity to organize an international event on our own. We can only help you book a reasonable accommodation and venue. What do you think of this?

Taweetham@thwp

On 13 November 2012 03:58, Tomoaki Suzuki tmoszk@gmail.com wrote:

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I too, think it's a fabulous idea for us to get together in our

cities.

...

...

As Kevin said, selecting a hosting city is one of the most important

point

...

...

for successful convention.

My recommendation, in addition to Hong Kong, which was mentioned on Facebook, is the following four countries, as they have generous

visa policy

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...

and direct flights from most Asian countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_South_Korean_citizens#Asi...

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• South Korea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_the_Philippines -

Philippines

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Thailand Thailand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Malaysia - Malaysia

We also need to consider how well the local hosting group is

organized. For

...

...

me, Hong Kong, Philippines, and South Korea seem to exceed among

those in

...

...

this regard. Anyone from these countries who are willing to welcome

Asian

...

...

Wikimedians?

Tomo (Tomo_suzuki@jawp)

2012/11/12 Doraemon ka360@live.hk > > Good idea. But we have to consider about the city, because unlike

Europe,

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> Asian countries are separated. > > Kevin > > > (2012/11/13 0:16), Josh Lim wrote: > > Hi guys, > > There's talk right now on the Facebook group about a proposed Asian > Wikimedia meeting, similar to the Central and Eastern Europe

meeting held

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> last year in Belgrade. What do you guys think? > > For reference, information on the CEE meeting may be found here: > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2012. > > Regards, > > Josh > > JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM > Block I1, AB Political Science > Major in Global Politics, Minor in Chinese Studies > Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University > Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines > > Trustee (2010-2013), Wikimedia Philippines > Member, Ateneo Debate Society > Member, The Assembly > > jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com | +63 (917) 841-5235 > Friendster/Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor > http://akira123323.livejournal.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list > Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org >

https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters

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Hi Chris, I confirmed that none of Indonesian (language Wikipedian) attended wikimania. Beside myself, I remember some other wikipedian admitted that they apply, none face forward and say: I got it. I still don't know whether it's visa problem or a plain bare and simple none approved.

Brushed off is not new in our dictionary, Indonesian have invented some of the largest brush I ever seen. We even take annual imunisation for this *grin*

To set record straight, John and I are planning to visit a friend in Cambodia, while have a lay over in Bangkok, but not planning to stay long in Bangkok because our destination is actually Cambodia.

-- Siska Doviana On Nov 13, 2012 8:54 PM, "Chris" kudpung.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:

I was at that lunch. There was no one from Thailand except me - and I'm just a Brit who has been living there for the last 14 years, so let's be objective rather rather than using icebergs for metrics.

In my opinion, it is not helpful to group Asia-Pacific together for scholarship allocations, particulary in view of the huge disparities in the economies of the countries in that region. When I tried to address this during Wikimania at DC I was given the brush off.

Kudpung On 13 Nov 2012, at 20:08, Gnangarra wrote:

I was in Washington and on the last day there was at short notice an impromptu Wiki Asia meetup lunch organised which was attended by over 20 people, it was from that group that this mailing list was started. There was also many people who had other arrangements or hadnt even got the message that didnt attend. I think there is a misconception that not many people attended, when the reality would be more like judging the size of an iceberg from what is seen above the water only.

One thing I do suggest is that then when people are moving around the region for whatever reason we should be encouraging them to allow a couple of hours to meet the locals if at all possible.

CHeers Gnangarra

On 13 November 2012 20:18, John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:

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The WMF explained their scholarship distribution like this:

a) Asia and Pacific were grouped together.

b) That grouping recieved the appropriate number of scholarships.

They provided a per-country breakdown of scholarships on meta.

We should build a list of Wikimedians who havent gone to Wikimania yet and help them get the scholarships.

John Vandenberg. sent from Galaxy Note On Nov 13, 2012 6:47 PM, "Kudpung กุดผึ้ง" kudpung.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:

...

Those who organise the various Wikimanias tend to ignore the fact that people in developing or emerging economies only have a fraction of the spending power of those in Western style countries. There are 'islands ' of Western level economy in Asia such as Taiwan, S. Korea, HK, and Singapore, but foreign travel is almost out of the question for the majority of citizens of Thailand, Burma, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, and perhaps Malaysia, and Indonesia and countries of the Indian sub continent.

Until the Foundation is prepared to rethink its scholarship funding in order to bring it in line with its Global South policy, with the paucity of funding available for the travel of volunteer Wikipedians compared to the massive travel budgets allowed for Foundation employees, in my opinion the effort should be to concentrate on getting Asian editors to Wikimania Hong Kong. They were extremely poorly represented at Wikimania DC.

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On 13 Nov 2012, at 07:59, Charles Gregory wrote:

As an idea - seeing as Wikimania will be in Hong Kong, would it be preferable to focus on that in 2013 and have an Asian Wikimedia meeting in 2014?

Many people/chapters have limited resources and may have to choose between an Asian Wikimedia meeting and WM2013.

Another option is to choose a location which has a short, cheap, high traffic route to Hong Kong (such as Singapore or Kuala Lumpur) and have the meeting the week before or after WM2013? Similar to what New York did with Wikimania Takes Manhattan this year.

Regards,

Charles

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:

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I agree Singapore is also a good option, as it is readily accessable by everyone,

Hong Kong would give the organsiors of Wikimania a chance to test on smaller scale with less pressure to perform, though could also have a negative affect on local sponsors, causing a drain on local resources.

The malaysia visa concern raise is something that would need to be checked,

Thailand, Philipines are both options....

Why not just see what each place can organise before the end of the year 31 Dec, run with the best option decided by mid 15 Jan that give a clear 4 months to organise.

For those that dont know I'm Australia and its too expensive, we lack sufficient available accommodation and cheep flights to Perth to even suggest here Gnangarra

On 13 November 2012 06:15, Taweetham taweetham@gmail.com wrote:

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BTW, for those who went to Israel (Wikimania 2011) and got any stamps or visa labels from there, you probably need to be apprehensive about going to Malaysia.

On 13 November 2012 09:08, Taweetham taweetham@gmail.com wrote:

...

I agree with Tomo regarding visa policy. In addition to four

countries

...

mentioned, I'd like to add http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Singapore to the list as well.

As far as I know, Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand are probably the best locations if you consider availability of low-cost airline connections. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_low-cost_airlines#Asia

However, I have to admit that we don't have the capacity to organize an international event on our own. We can only help you book a reasonable accommodation and venue. What do you think of this?

Taweetham@thwp

On 13 November 2012 03:58, Tomoaki Suzuki tmoszk@gmail.com wrote: > I too, think it's a fabulous idea for us to get together in our

cities.

...

> As Kevin said, selecting a hosting city is one of the most

important point

...

> for successful convention. > > My recommendation, in addition to Hong Kong, which was mentioned on > Facebook, is the following four countries, as they have generous

visa policy

...

> and direct flights from most Asian countries. > >

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_South_Korean_citizens#Asi...

...

> - South Korea > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_the_Philippines -

Philippines

...

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Thailand Thailand > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Malaysia - Malaysia > > We also need to consider how well the local hosting group is

organized. For

...

> me, Hong Kong, Philippines, and South Korea seem to exceed among

those in

...

> this regard. Anyone from these countries who are willing to welcome

Asian

...

> Wikimedians? > > Tomo > (Tomo_suzuki@jawp) > > > > 2012/11/12 Doraemon ka360@live.hk >> >> Good idea. But we have to consider about the city, because unlike

Europe,

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>> Asian countries are separated. >> >> Kevin >> >> >> (2012/11/13 0:16), Josh Lim wrote: >> >> Hi guys, >> >> There's talk right now on the Facebook group about a proposed Asian >> Wikimedia meeting, similar to the Central and Eastern Europe

meeting held

...

>> last year in Belgrade. What do you guys think? >> >> For reference, information on the CEE meeting may be found here: >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2012. >> >> Regards, >> >> Josh >> >> JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM >> Block I1, AB Political Science >> Major in Global Politics, Minor in Chinese Studies >> Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University >> Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines >> >> Trustee (2010-2013), Wikimedia Philippines >> Member, Ateneo Debate Society >> Member, The Assembly >> >> jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com | +63 (917) 841-5235 >> Friendster/Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor >> http://akira123323.livejournal.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list >> Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org >>

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On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 7:18 PM, John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:

The WMF explained their scholarship distribution like this:

a) Asia and Pacific were grouped together.

b) That grouping recieved the appropriate number of scholarships.

They provided a per-country breakdown of scholarships on meta.

here it is

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania/Scholarships/2012/By_Country

some pretty charts at

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania/Scholarships/2012

The acceptance rate for Asia-Pacific was low, and I think the number attended was even lower due to visas and other post acceptance issues. I havent seen any data for the geographic distribution of real life through-the-door attendees.

-- John Vandenberg

I'm still smarting from the feeling of gross disappointment in the huge waste of funds and junkets on the IEP (which I spent over 200 hours cleaning up), so if I sound rather jaded, it's because the Foundation's great leap forward into the Global South does not appear to be reflected in their spending of surplus funds where it's really needed - ie scholarships.

Kudpung

On 13 Nov 2012, at 21:29, Siska Doviana wrote:

Hi Chris, I confirmed that none of Indonesian (language Wikipedian) attended wikimania. Beside myself, I remember some other wikipedian admitted that they apply, none face forward and say: I got it. I still don't know whether it's visa problem or a plain bare and simple none approved.

Brushed off is not new in our dictionary, Indonesian have invented some of the largest brush I ever seen. We even take annual imunisation for this *grin*

To set record straight, John and I are planning to visit a friend in Cambodia, while have a lay over in Bangkok, but not planning to stay long in Bangkok because our destination is actually Cambodia.

-- Siska Doviana

On Nov 13, 2012 8:54 PM, "Chris" kudpung.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote: I was at that lunch. There was no one from Thailand except me - and I'm just a Brit who has been living there for the last 14 years, so let's be objective rather rather than using icebergs for metrics.

In my opinion, it is not helpful to group Asia-Pacific together for scholarship allocations, particulary in view of the huge disparities in the economies of the countries in that region. When I tried to address this during Wikimania at DC I was given the brush off.

Kudpung On 13 Nov 2012, at 20:08, Gnangarra wrote:

...

I was in Washington and on the last day there was at short notice an impromptu Wiki Asia meetup lunch organised which was attended by over 20 people, it was from that group that this mailing list was started. There was also many people who had other arrangements or hadnt even got the message that didnt attend. I think there is a misconception that not many people attended, when the reality would be more like judging the size of an iceberg from what is seen above the water only.

One thing I do suggest is that then when people are moving around the region for whatever reason we should be encouraging them to allow a couple of hours to meet the locals if at all possible.

CHeers Gnangarra

On 13 November 2012 20:18, John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote: The WMF explained their scholarship distribution like this:

a) Asia and Pacific were grouped together.

b) That grouping recieved the appropriate number of scholarships.

They provided a per-country breakdown of scholarships on meta.

We should build a list of Wikimedians who havent gone to Wikimania yet and help them get the scholarships.

John Vandenberg. sent from Galaxy Note

On Nov 13, 2012 6:47 PM, "Kudpung กุดผึ้ง" kudpung.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote: Those who organise the various Wikimanias tend to ignore the fact that people in developing or emerging economies only have a fraction of the spending power of those in Western style countries. There are 'islands ' of Western level economy in Asia such as Taiwan, S. Korea, HK, and Singapore, but foreign travel is almost out of the question for the majority of citizens of Thailand, Burma, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, and perhaps Malaysia, and Indonesia and countries of the Indian sub continent.

Until the Foundation is prepared to rethink its scholarship funding in order to bring it in line with its Global South policy, with the paucity of funding available for the travel of volunteer Wikipedians compared to the massive travel budgets allowed for Foundation employees, in my opinion the effort should be to concentrate on getting Asian editors to Wikimania Hong Kong. They were extremely poorly represented at Wikimania DC.

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On 13 Nov 2012, at 07:59, Charles Gregory wrote:

...

As an idea - seeing as Wikimania will be in Hong Kong, would it be preferable to focus on that in 2013 and have an Asian Wikimedia meeting in 2014?

Many people/chapters have limited resources and may have to choose between an Asian Wikimedia meeting and WM2013.

Another option is to choose a location which has a short, cheap, high traffic route to Hong Kong (such as Singapore or Kuala Lumpur) and have the meeting the week before or after WM2013? Similar to what New York did with Wikimania Takes Manhattan this year.

Regards,

Charles

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote: I agree Singapore is also a good option, as it is readily accessable by everyone,

Hong Kong would give the organsiors of Wikimania a chance to test on smaller scale with less pressure to perform, though could also have a negative affect on local sponsors, causing a drain on local resources.

The malaysia visa concern raise is something that would need to be checked,

Thailand, Philipines are both options....

Why not just see what each place can organise before the end of the year 31 Dec, run with the best option decided by mid 15 Jan that give a clear 4 months to organise.

For those that dont know I'm Australia and its too expensive, we lack sufficient available accommodation and cheep flights to Perth to even suggest here Gnangarra

On 13 November 2012 06:15, Taweetham taweetham@gmail.com wrote: BTW, for those who went to Israel (Wikimania 2011) and got any stamps or visa labels from there, you probably need to be apprehensive about going to Malaysia.

On 13 November 2012 09:08, Taweetham taweetham@gmail.com wrote:

...

I agree with Tomo regarding visa policy. In addition to four countries mentioned, I'd like to add http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Singapore to the list as well.

As far as I know, Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand are probably the best locations if you consider availability of low-cost airline connections. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_low-cost_airlines#Asia

However, I have to admit that we don't have the capacity to organize an international event on our own. We can only help you book a reasonable accommodation and venue. What do you think of this?

Taweetham@thwp

On 13 November 2012 03:58, Tomoaki Suzuki tmoszk@gmail.com wrote:

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I too, think it's a fabulous idea for us to get together in our cities. As Kevin said, selecting a hosting city is one of the most important point for successful convention.

My recommendation, in addition to Hong Kong, which was mentioned on Facebook, is the following four countries, as they have generous visa policy and direct flights from most Asian countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_South_Korean_citizens#Asi...

• South Korea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_the_Philippines - Philippines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Thailand Thailand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Malaysia - Malaysia

We also need to consider how well the local hosting group is organized. For me, Hong Kong, Philippines, and South Korea seem to exceed among those in this regard. Anyone from these countries who are willing to welcome Asian Wikimedians?

Tomo (Tomo_suzuki@jawp)

2012/11/12 Doraemon ka360@live.hk

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Good idea. But we have to consider about the city, because unlike Europe, Asian countries are separated.

Kevin

(2012/11/13 0:16), Josh Lim wrote:

Hi guys,

There's talk right now on the Facebook group about a proposed Asian Wikimedia meeting, similar to the Central and Eastern Europe meeting held last year in Belgrade. What do you guys think?

For reference, information on the CEE meeting may be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2012.

Regards,

Josh

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Hi josh,

Hk may be better choice, but the date.... is possible in 2013 together with Wikimania?

Regards, Ken

引述 Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com:

Hi guys,

There's talk right now on the Facebook group about a proposed Asian Wikimedia meeting, similar to the Central and Eastern Europe meeting held last year in Belgrade. What do you guys think?

For reference, information on the CEE meeting may be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2012.

Regards,

Josh

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I think Bangkok would be the most strategic point for Wikimedia communities. If they could just come up with enough warm bodies to organize it there that will be great, plus other Wikimedia communities could probably be in charge of other specific tasks in order to see the fruition of such a regional conference.

Roel WMPH

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Tonmoy Khan tonmoy.du@gmail.com wrote:

Hi everyone,

I don't see any reason why WMF would not want to fund such a regional conference. This is very much aligned with the strategic goals of the movement. I believe it will strengthen regional cooperation among the chapters in Asia and might act as a starting point of generating lots of new ideas for regional development.

Cheers

Ali Haidar Khan (Tonmoy) Wikimedia Bangladesh On Nov 14, 2012 11:53 AM, ken@wikimedia.org.mo wrote:

...

Hi josh,

Hk may be better choice, but the date.... is possible in 2013 together with Wikimania?

Regards, Ken

引述 Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com:

Hi guys,

...

There's talk right now on the Facebook group about a proposed Asian Wikimedia meeting, similar to the Central and Eastern Europe meeting held last year in Belgrade. What do you guys think?

For reference, information on the CEE meeting may be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_**2012http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2012 .

Regards,

Josh

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Agree hiring someone to organise is relatively cheap in some locations, also consider that many resort type accommodation venues offer a complete package for confrences that includes confrence facilities, accommodation and meals, which would mean it could be organised from afar with just a fly in - fly out approach. a simple 100 attendee event could be funded entirely by a grant with chapters and individuals just needing to arrange flights/transport

On 14 November 2012 19:30, Taweetham taweetham@gmail.com wrote:

Yes, it would be ideal if volunteer Bangkokians can show up and help organize the meeting. However, this is unlikely in the current circumstance. My comments below is applicable not only to Bangkok but also to other Asian cities where local Chapter is not available.

(1) Hiring an organizer: this is probably for a big meeting or in a countries where prices are relatively low.

(2) Participants run the event by themself and help with bits and pieces like bringing your own name tag and some equipments. My impression of Wikimania 2011 is that not many people are from Haifa. People from Jerusalem (and other places) came to help and some didn't really know the city.

You can employ both startegies at the same time, for example, hiring a venue (+equipments) or securing them at no cost from a sponsor and having the participants do the rest of the jobs. This should require only minimal facilitation from local Chapter.

Taweetham

On 14 November 2012 20:18, Roel Balingit roel.balingit@wikimedia.org.ph wrote:

...

I think Bangkok would be the most strategic point for Wikimedia

communities.

...

If they could just come up with enough warm bodies to organize it there

that

...

will be great, plus other Wikimedia communities could probably be in

charge

...

of other specific tasks in order to see the fruition of such a regional conference.

Roel WMPH

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Tonmoy Khan tonmoy.du@gmail.com

wrote:

...

...

Hi everyone,

I don't see any reason why WMF would not want to fund such a regional conference. This is very much aligned with the strategic goals of the movement. I believe it will strengthen regional cooperation among the chapters in Asia and might act as a starting point of generating lots

of new

...

...

ideas for regional development.

Cheers

Ali Haidar Khan (Tonmoy) Wikimedia Bangladesh

On Nov 14, 2012 11:53 AM, ken@wikimedia.org.mo wrote:

...

Hi josh,

Hk may be better choice, but the date.... is possible in 2013 together with Wikimania?

Regards, Ken

引述 Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com:

...

Hi guys,

There's talk right now on the Facebook group about a proposed Asian Wikimedia meeting, similar to the Central and Eastern Europe meeting

held

...

...

...

...

last year in Belgrade. What do you guys think?

For reference, information on the CEE meeting may be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2012.

Regards,

Josh

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You forgot Wikimedia Israel. ;)

Anyway, if we are intent on having a continent-wide conference before Wikimania (or after), at the very least we should all start deciding towards setting a date.

Josh

El 14/11/2012, a las 21:52, Roel Balingit roel.balingit@wikimedia.org.ph escribió:

That would be a brilliant idea to hire an organizer. Maybe that would also spur interests among Wikimedians in Thailand to have a solid Wikimedia community. Pooling the minds of Wikimedians right now would be great to come up with a project program and a grant proposal. I believe this could be a WMBD, WMIN, WMID, WMHK, WMTW, WMMO, and WMPH joint project (just a wild idea), which could ultimately lead to a Wikimedia Asia block.

Roel

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote: Agree hiring someone to organise is relatively cheap in some locations, also consider that many resort type accommodation venues offer a complete package for confrences that includes confrence facilities, accommodation and meals, which would mean it could be organised from afar with just a fly in - fly out approach. a simple 100 attendee event could be funded entirely by a grant with chapters and individuals just needing to arrange flights/transport

On 14 November 2012 19:30, Taweetham taweetham@gmail.com wrote: Yes, it would be ideal if volunteer Bangkokians can show up and help organize the meeting. However, this is unlikely in the current circumstance. My comments below is applicable not only to Bangkok but also to other Asian cities where local Chapter is not available.

(1) Hiring an organizer: this is probably for a big meeting or in a countries where prices are relatively low.

(2) Participants run the event by themself and help with bits and pieces like bringing your own name tag and some equipments. My impression of Wikimania 2011 is that not many people are from Haifa. People from Jerusalem (and other places) came to help and some didn't really know the city.

You can employ both startegies at the same time, for example, hiring a venue (+equipments) or securing them at no cost from a sponsor and having the participants do the rest of the jobs. This should require only minimal facilitation from local Chapter.

Taweetham

On 14 November 2012 20:18, Roel Balingit roel.balingit@wikimedia.org.ph wrote:

...

I think Bangkok would be the most strategic point for Wikimedia communities. If they could just come up with enough warm bodies to organize it there that will be great, plus other Wikimedia communities could probably be in charge of other specific tasks in order to see the fruition of such a regional conference.

Roel WMPH

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Tonmoy Khan tonmoy.du@gmail.com wrote:

...

Hi everyone,

I don't see any reason why WMF would not want to fund such a regional conference. This is very much aligned with the strategic goals of the movement. I believe it will strengthen regional cooperation among the chapters in Asia and might act as a starting point of generating lots of new ideas for regional development.

Cheers

Ali Haidar Khan (Tonmoy) Wikimedia Bangladesh

On Nov 14, 2012 11:53 AM, ken@wikimedia.org.mo wrote:

...

Hi josh,

Hk may be better choice, but the date.... is possible in 2013 together with Wikimania?

Regards, Ken

引述 Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com:

...

Hi guys,

There's talk right now on the Facebook group about a proposed Asian Wikimedia meeting, similar to the Central and Eastern Europe meeting held last year in Belgrade. What do you guys think?

For reference, information on the CEE meeting may be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2012.

Regards,

Josh

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Hi John et al,

I'd be happy to attend a Bangkok meeting. It is probably 5-6 hours driving to Bangkok from where I'd be, and I believe I will have work at that time, so it would be best if it was on a weekend timed so that myself and others have a chance to get there.

There is a Wikimedia Thailand Facebook group that sees a fair bit of use. The discussion is generally in Thai, so I don't know what they are talking about for the most part. :) But it would be a good route to get some attendees.

I do have the option of a week's paid leave every year I am fairly sure. Consequently, if I'm able and can get funding I am probably going to attempt to go to Wiki Mania myself.

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Siska and I are going to be in Bangkok before and after Wikimania.

User:JJ_Harrison is going to be in Thailand next year.

I think we could organise a meeting in Bangkok for local people who cant attend Wikimania.

It would be good to organise an event each year in an Asian country that doesnt have a chapter, where international attendees are helped by the locals but not like a conference where everything is taken care of - the international attendees take care of their own bookings etc. This will help those countries develop a core group who can start a chapter.

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On 12 Nov 2012, at 22:16, Josh Lim wrote:

Hi guys,

There's talk right now on the Facebook group about a proposed Asian Wikimedia meeting, similar to the Central and Eastern Europe meeting held last year in Belgrade. What do you guys think?

For reference, information on the CEE meeting may be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2012.

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If the CEE meeting is any indication, that meeting was held three months after Wikimania. A pre-Wikimania conference would be wise (or even a post-Wikimania one), but I agree that we should be cognizant of Wikimania taking place in Hong Kong.

Josh

El 14/11/2012, a las 23:11, Roel Balingit roel.balingit@wikimedia.org.ph escribió:

Anywhere near the 2013 Wikimania wouldn't be wise, as Wikimedians would be in Hong Kong after all, I would anticipate GAC to suggest to just have a group discussion there in Wikimania. The date has to be far from the 2013 Wikimania.

Roel

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote: You forgot Wikimedia Israel. ;)

Anyway, if we are intent on having a continent-wide conference before Wikimania (or after), at the very least we should all start deciding towards setting a date.

Josh

El 14/11/2012, a las 21:52, Roel Balingit roel.balingit@wikimedia.org.ph escribió:

...

That would be a brilliant idea to hire an organizer. Maybe that would also spur interests among Wikimedians in Thailand to have a solid Wikimedia community. Pooling the minds of Wikimedians right now would be great to come up with a project program and a grant proposal. I believe this could be a WMBD, WMIN, WMID, WMHK, WMTW, WMMO, and WMPH joint project (just a wild idea), which could ultimately lead to a Wikimedia Asia block.

Roel

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote: Agree hiring someone to organise is relatively cheap in some locations, also consider that many resort type accommodation venues offer a complete package for confrences that includes confrence facilities, accommodation and meals, which would mean it could be organised from afar with just a fly in - fly out approach. a simple 100 attendee event could be funded entirely by a grant with chapters and individuals just needing to arrange flights/transport

On 14 November 2012 19:30, Taweetham taweetham@gmail.com wrote: Yes, it would be ideal if volunteer Bangkokians can show up and help organize the meeting. However, this is unlikely in the current circumstance. My comments below is applicable not only to Bangkok but also to other Asian cities where local Chapter is not available.

(1) Hiring an organizer: this is probably for a big meeting or in a countries where prices are relatively low.

(2) Participants run the event by themself and help with bits and pieces like bringing your own name tag and some equipments. My impression of Wikimania 2011 is that not many people are from Haifa. People from Jerusalem (and other places) came to help and some didn't really know the city.

You can employ both startegies at the same time, for example, hiring a venue (+equipments) or securing them at no cost from a sponsor and having the participants do the rest of the jobs. This should require only minimal facilitation from local Chapter.

Taweetham

On 14 November 2012 20:18, Roel Balingit roel.balingit@wikimedia.org.ph wrote:

...

I think Bangkok would be the most strategic point for Wikimedia communities. If they could just come up with enough warm bodies to organize it there that will be great, plus other Wikimedia communities could probably be in charge of other specific tasks in order to see the fruition of such a regional conference.

Roel WMPH

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Tonmoy Khan tonmoy.du@gmail.com wrote:

...

Hi everyone,

I don't see any reason why WMF would not want to fund such a regional conference. This is very much aligned with the strategic goals of the movement. I believe it will strengthen regional cooperation among the chapters in Asia and might act as a starting point of generating lots of new ideas for regional development.

Cheers

Ali Haidar Khan (Tonmoy) Wikimedia Bangladesh

On Nov 14, 2012 11:53 AM, ken@wikimedia.org.mo wrote:

...

Hi josh,

Hk may be better choice, but the date.... is possible in 2013 together with Wikimania?

Regards, Ken

引述 Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com:

...

Hi guys,

There's talk right now on the Facebook group about a proposed Asian Wikimedia meeting, similar to the Central and Eastern Europe meeting held last year in Belgrade. What do you guys think?

For reference, information on the CEE meeting may be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2012.

Regards,

Josh

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Hi Josh and all, Nice to hear about the initiatives. It would be a perfect platform to discuss our common issues. I'll join the discussion in fb soon. Best, Ganesh

On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi guys,

There's talk right now on the Facebook group about a proposed Asian Wikimedia meeting, similar to the Central and Eastern Europe meeting held last year in Belgrade. What do you guys think?

For reference, information on the CEE meeting may be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2012.

Regards,

Josh

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Just to come back to this discussion - which I didn't get around to replying to the first time ..

With WM2013 being in Hong Kong, I would probably avoid a separate Wikimedia Asia meeting/conference in 2013, and instead integrate it with Wikimania - either as a session during the conference, or an additional mini-conference before or after the main one. Maybe in other years we could have a separate WM Asia conference.

The problem with that is you may end up with a situation similar to State of the Map (OpenStreetMap's international conference). For the first three years it was in Europe. The fourth year (2010), it was again in Europe, but there was a secondary smaller one held in Atlanta (USA) a month later. In 2011, the conference was in Denver, but a secondary one was held in Vienna. In 2012 the main conference was in Tokyo, but secondary ones in Portland, USA and in Scotland.

For many people/chapters, time and money are both limited, so they may end up choosing between Wikimania or the Asian conference, which would only dilute both. Of could the GAC could fund travel for people but we would need to be very specific as to the benefits to the movement if they are to approve such a grant.

I think we need to focus on getting as many Asian participants to Wikimania 2013 for now and ensure we have a productive plan for the future :)

Regards,

Charles Gregory Secretary and WCA Council Representative Wikimedia Australia

Maybe we should organise something like the American wiknic, where people gather in multiple locations across Asia on the same day.

Schedule it before the Wikimania scholarship closing date so attendees can be helped submit their applications.

John Vandenberg. sent from Galaxy Note On Dec 8, 2012 9:49 AM, "Kudpung กุดผึ้ง" kudpung.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:

Compared to North America and Europe which have a tight concentration of reasonably wealthy countries, I think we should not lose sight of the fact that the Asia-Pacificc region contains some of the most wealthy and and poorest countries in the world. SE Asia was poorly represent at Wikimania 2012 - AFAIK I was the only Wikipedian from Thailand and I'm only a British expat living there.

I am therefore not confident that SE Asia countries will be any better represented at in HK than they were in DC. Hence I feel that a more local meeting , such as already suggested in Bangkok, would be appropriate - and with funding for those who still find the financial burden onerous.

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On 8 Dec 2012, at 09:29, Charles Gregory wrote:

Just to come back to this discussion - which I didn't get around to replying to the first time ..

With WM2013 being in Hong Kong, I would probably avoid a separate Wikimedia Asia meeting/conference in 2013, and instead integrate it with Wikimania - either as a session during the conference, or an additional mini-conference before or after the main one. Maybe in other years we could have a separate WM Asia conference.

The problem with that is you may end up with a situation similar to State of the Map (OpenStreetMap's international conference). For the first three years it was in Europe. The fourth year (2010), it was again in Europe, but there was a secondary smaller one held in Atlanta (USA) a month later. In 2011, the conference was in Denver, but a secondary one was held in Vienna. In 2012 the main conference was in Tokyo, but secondary ones in Portland, USA and in Scotland.

For many people/chapters, time and money are both limited, so they may end up choosing between Wikimania or the Asian conference, which would only dilute both. Of could the GAC could fund travel for people but we would need to be very specific as to the benefits to the movement if they are to approve such a grant.

I think we need to focus on getting as many Asian participants to Wikimania 2013 for now and ensure we have a productive plan for the future :)

Regards,

Charles Gregory Secretary and WCA Council Representative Wikimedia Australia

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I realise that the scholarships committee has an unenviable task, but I'm not wholly convinced that their decisions are (or have been) wholly equitable.

As I mentioned before, when I tried to bring this up at Wikimania in DC I was brushed off.

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On 8 Dec 2012, at 11:47, Roel Balingit wrote:

May be a rice party! since rice is the common staple in Asia, it would be a good idea to bring different food made of rice, to share with others. Just a wild thought. :)

Roel

On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 11:00 AM, John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote: Schedule it before the Wikimania scholarship closing date so attendees can be helped submit their applications.

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Hi everyone,

Sorry to re-ignite this thread, but I thought this might of interest!

https://www.facebook.com/events/470043563051733/

For those without facebook:

Wikimedia Conference Japan 2013 Sunday, 3 February 2013 Hosted by the Wikimedian Society of Tokyo http://www.wcj2013.info/

Keynote includes Jay Walsh from WMF.

Regards,

Charles (WMAU)

On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:

Frmo what I understand much of the funding for scholarships comes with certain requirements, which can increase disproportionate representation add to that the location of people who applied, visa restriction/conditions all of which do effect the end result of who gets scholarships, hopefull with it being soclose more will apply and with the lowers costs more will be able to funded

On 8 December 2012 14:16, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง kudpung.wikipedia@gmail.comwrote:

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I realise that the scholarships committee has an unenviable task, but I'm not wholly convinced that their decisions are (or have been) wholly equitable.

As I mentioned before, when I tried to bring this up at Wikimania in DC I was brushed off.

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On 8 Dec 2012, at 11:47, Roel Balingit wrote:

May be a rice party! since rice is the common staple in Asia, it would be a good idea to bring different food made of rice, to share with others. Just a wild thought. :)

Roel

On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 11:00 AM, John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.comwrote:

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Schedule it before the Wikimania scholarship closing date so attendees can be helped submit their applications.

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Hi, from tokyo.

I reserved a room at tokyo univ. on 2/2, too. We can use the room for not only preparing WCJ2013 but Wikimedian's meet up.

This meeting can be a Asian Wikimedian Meetup, but it is not the meeting which talked about on this thread.

Please check also

http://www.facebook.com/groups/wikimedia.asia/permalink/192220744236127/

I, or other staff will answer if needed.

Regards.

Kusaka Kyuhachi/ Ks aka 98

2013/1/17 Tomoaki Suzuki tmoszk@gmail.com:

Dear all,

Asian Wikimedian meet up is scheduled in the same week of WCJ 2013. Information can obtained by sending message here.

Regards,

Tomo

2013/1/17 Charles Gregory chuq@chuq.net

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Hi everyone,

Sorry to re-ignite this thread, but I thought this might of interest!

https://www.facebook.com/events/470043563051733/

For those without facebook:

Wikimedia Conference Japan 2013 Sunday, 3 February 2013 Hosted by the Wikimedian Society of Tokyo http://www.wcj2013.info/

Keynote includes Jay Walsh from WMF.

Regards,

Charles (WMAU)

On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:

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Frmo what I understand much of the funding for scholarships comes with certain requirements, which can increase disproportionate representation add to that the location of people who applied, visa restriction/conditions all of which do effect the end result of who gets scholarships, hopefull with it being soclose more will apply and with the lowers costs more will be able to funded

On 8 December 2012 14:16, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง kudpung.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:

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I realise that the scholarships committee has an unenviable task, but I'm not wholly convinced that their decisions are (or have been) wholly equitable.

As I mentioned before, when I tried to bring this up at Wikimania in DC I was brushed off.

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On 8 Dec 2012, at 11:47, Roel Balingit wrote:

May be a rice party! since rice is the common staple in Asia, it would be a good idea to bring different food made of rice, to share with others. Just a wild thought. :)

Roel

On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 11:00 AM, John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:

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Schedule it before the Wikimania scholarship closing date so attendees can be helped submit their applications.

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Hey The website is fully Japanese, so I could make no heads or tails, Do they offer scholarship for off-japasnee-but-asian wikimedians ?

Mardetanha

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Shujen Chang i@blue.cat wrote:

Good idea!

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:05 PM, ksaka98 ksaka98@gmail.com wrote:

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Hi, from tokyo.

I reserved a room at tokyo univ. on 2/2, too. We can use the room for not only preparing WCJ2013 but Wikimedian's meet up.

This meeting can be a Asian Wikimedian Meetup, but it is not the meeting which talked about on this thread.

Please check also

http://www.facebook.com/groups/wikimedia.asia/permalink/192220744236127/

I, or other staff will answer if needed.

Regards.

Kusaka Kyuhachi/ Ks aka 98

2013/1/17 Tomoaki Suzuki tmoszk@gmail.com:

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Dear all,

Asian Wikimedian meet up is scheduled in the same week of WCJ 2013. Information can obtained by sending message here.

Regards,

Tomo

2013/1/17 Charles Gregory chuq@chuq.net

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Hi everyone,

Sorry to re-ignite this thread, but I thought this might of interest!

https://www.facebook.com/events/470043563051733/

For those without facebook:

Wikimedia Conference Japan 2013 Sunday, 3 February 2013 Hosted by the Wikimedian Society of Tokyo http://www.wcj2013.info/

Keynote includes Jay Walsh from WMF.

Regards,

Charles (WMAU)

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On 8 Dec 2012, at 11:47, Roel Balingit wrote:

May be a rice party! since rice is the common staple in Asia, it

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Dear Mardetanha and all,

Ks aka 98, one of the core organizers of this event, regretfully stated that there will be no offer of scholarship; time restriction did not allow them to prepare that.

But cheer up guys, WMF is expanding its grants programshttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Start. We will find events in Japan with scholarships in the not too distant future!

Best,

Tomo

2013/1/17 ksaka98 ksaka98@gmail.com

Sorry, I just post in Japanese. Tomo will help Translation.//Thank you, Tomo!!!

奨学金は出ない。

もともとイベント自体が急に決まったのと、計画している頃は、asian wikimedian meetupのことは知らなかったので許してください。

日本語は言語として孤立しているので、どうしてもドメスティックなものになりがちだ。アウトリーチ活動に積極的な人材も、ごく限られている。発表者との交渉は慣れているんだけど、通訳や翻訳の手配となると、費用の面でも労力の面でも難しいところがある。

Ks aka 98

2013/1/18 Mardetanha mardetanha.wiki@gmail.com:

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Hey The website is fully Japanese, so I could make no heads or tails, Do they offer scholarship for off-japasnee-but-asian wikimedians ?

Mardetanha

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Shujen Chang i@blue.cat wrote:

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Good idea!

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:05 PM, ksaka98 ksaka98@gmail.com wrote:

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Hi, from tokyo.

I reserved a room at tokyo univ. on 2/2, too. We can use the room for not only preparing WCJ2013 but Wikimedian's meet up.

This meeting can be a Asian Wikimedian Meetup, but it is not the meeting which talked about on this thread.

Please check also

http://www.facebook.com/groups/wikimedia.asia/permalink/192220744236127/

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I, or other staff will answer if needed.

Regards.

Kusaka Kyuhachi/ Ks aka 98

2013/1/17 Tomoaki Suzuki tmoszk@gmail.com:

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Dear all,

Asian Wikimedian meet up is scheduled in the same week of WCJ 2013. Information can obtained by sending message here.

Regards,

Tomo

2013/1/17 Charles Gregory chuq@chuq.net

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Hi everyone,

Sorry to re-ignite this thread, but I thought this might of

interest!

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https://www.facebook.com/events/470043563051733/

For those without facebook:

Wikimedia Conference Japan 2013 Sunday, 3 February 2013 Hosted by the Wikimedian Society of Tokyo http://www.wcj2013.info/

Keynote includes Jay Walsh from WMF.

Regards,

Charles (WMAU)

On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote: > > Frmo what I understand much of the funding for scholarships comes > with > certain requirements, which can increase disproportionate > representation add > to that the location of people who applied, visa > restriction/conditions all > of which do effect the end result of who gets scholarships,

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details. 2/2 tokyo meetup will be held at 15:00-18:00 at Tokyo Univ. Some staff can help translation.

Jay Walsh join meetup, maybe. Main WCJ staff will be preparing the next day conference, but some of Japanese wikimedian will join.

I'm grad to know if you are going to join meetup, and If you want to take dinner with us(incl.Jay), let me know it.

You can get pdf here http://www.u-tokyo.ac.jp/en/access.html

1.Access map( for Tokyo Univ(hongo campus)) 2.Hongo Campus Map

No.73. Faculty of Engineering bldg, 2 will be find on 2.Hongo Campus Map

thank you

ks aka 98

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Tomoaki Suzuki tmoszk@gmail.com wrote:

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Dear Mardetanha and all,

Ks aka 98, one of the core organizers of this event, regretfully stated that there will be no offer of scholarship; time restriction did not allow them to prepare that.

But cheer up guys, WMF is expanding its grants programs. We will find events in Japan with scholarships in the not too distant future!

Best,

Tomo

2013/1/17 ksaka98 ksaka98@gmail.com

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Sorry, I just post in Japanese. Tomo will help Translation.//Thank you, Tomo!!!

奨学金は出ない。

もともとイベント自体が急に決まったのと、計画している頃は、asian wikimedian meetupのことは知らなかったので許してください。

日本語は言語として孤立しているので、どうしてもドメスティックなものになりがちだ。アウトリーチ活動に積極的な人材も、ごく限られている。発表者との交渉は慣れているんだけど、通訳や翻訳の手配となると、費用の面でも労力の面でも難しいところがある。

Ks aka 98

2013/1/18 Mardetanha mardetanha.wiki@gmail.com:

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Hey The website is fully Japanese, so I could make no heads or tails, Do they offer scholarship for off-japasnee-but-asian wikimedians ?

Mardetanha

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Shujen Chang i@blue.cat wrote:

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Good idea!

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:05 PM, ksaka98 ksaka98@gmail.com wrote:

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Hi, from tokyo.

I reserved a room at tokyo univ. on 2/2, too. We can use the room for not only preparing WCJ2013 but Wikimedian's meet up.

This meeting can be a Asian Wikimedian Meetup, but it is not the meeting which talked about on this thread.

Please check also

http://www.facebook.com/groups/wikimedia.asia/permalink/192220744236127/

I, or other staff will answer if needed.

Regards.

Kusaka Kyuhachi/ Ks aka 98

2013/1/17 Tomoaki Suzuki tmoszk@gmail.com: > Dear all, > > Asian Wikimedian meet up is scheduled in the same week of WCJ 2013. > Information can obtained by sending message here. > > Regards, > > Tomo > > > 2013/1/17 Charles Gregory chuq@chuq.net >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> Sorry to re-ignite this thread, but I thought this might of >> interest! >> >> https://www.facebook.com/events/470043563051733/ >> >> For those without facebook: >> >> Wikimedia Conference Japan 2013 >> Sunday, 3 February 2013 >> Hosted by the Wikimedian Society of Tokyo >> http://www.wcj2013.info/ >> >> Keynote includes Jay Walsh from WMF. >> >> Regards, >> >> Charles (WMAU) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> Frmo what I understand much of the funding for scholarships comes >>> with >>> certain requirements, which can increase disproportionate >>> representation add >>> to that the location of people who applied, visa >>> restriction/conditions all >>> of which do effect the end result of who gets scholarships, >>> hopefull >>> with it >>> being soclose more will apply and with the lowers costs more will >>> be >>> able to >>> funded >>> >>> >>> On 8 December 2012 14:16, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง >>> kudpung.wikipedia@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I realise that the scholarships committee has an unenviable >>>> task, >>>> but >>>> I'm not wholly convinced that their decisions are (or have >>>> been) >>>> wholly >>>> equitable. >>>> >>>> As I mentioned before, when I tried to bring this up at >>>> Wikimania >>>> in DC I was brushed off. >>>> >>>> Kudpung กุดผึ้ง >>>> kudpung.wikipedia@gmail.com >>>> >>>> This is a Wikipedia user's global email account. Contents in >>>> messages >>>> to and from this email address are confidential and may not >>>> be >>>> published or otherwise quoted on any Wikimedia or other >>>> websites >>>> without >>>> the express permission of the account holder. Opinions >>>> expressed >>>> in >>>> messages are particular to the user and may not reflect the >>>> aims, >>>> policies and philosophy of Wikipedia or the Wikimedia >>>> Foundation. >>>> >>>> On 8 Dec 2012, at 11:47, Roel Balingit wrote: >>>> >>>> May be a rice party! since rice is the common staple in Asia, it >>>> would >>>> be a good idea to bring different food made of rice, to share >>>> with >>>> others. >>>> Just a wild thought. :) >>>> >>>> Roel >>>> >>>> On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 11:00 AM, John Vandenberg >>>> jayvdb@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Schedule it before the Wikimania scholarship closing date so >>>>> attendees >>>>> can be helped submit their applications. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> ROEL BALINGIT >>>> Treasurer >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> WIKIMEDIA PHILIPPINES >>>> G/F Gervacia Center, 152 Amorsolo Street, Legaspi Village, 1229 >>>> Makati >>>> City >>>> T: +63-2-8123277 | F: +63-2-8127177 | M: +63-917-8807635 >>>> W: www.wikimedia.org.ph | E: roel.balingit@wikimedia.org.ph >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list >>>> Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list >>>> Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> GN. >>> Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com >>> Gn. Blogg: http://gnangarra.wordpress.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list >>> Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org >>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list >> Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list > Wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters >

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