Well I think Criag owe you a big cup of tea or coffee, KartikaBut talking about reachability, may be I am a bit ahead to get involved of rest of youI dun think the board is unreachable, or course I dun think they will speak for us all the timebut compare between Alice/Patricio & Criagthe Australian seems more unreachable to me, so why I suggested the others when the HK board member had consulted my viewsand eventually they have picked somebody else at this stage.I think the awkward thing is you guys from Indonesian & Australian chapter saying that your nominees care about us and reachablebut the rest of us (at least HK) did feel that at allwhere atre they at first place?did they really try to talk to us?THEY ARE NOT EVEN ON THIS LIST!or send us a single e-mail call for supportso are we frankly begging them represent us?
as they are not even put support us on their agenda!so I dun think group decision will work AT ALL at this momentunless the candidates (who WMID nominates) willing to change their patronizing attitudes (sorry, that's my real impression, sorry if this offend anyone)On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 1:26 AM, Kartika Sari Henry <kartika.sari.henry@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
+1Based on the Asian Chapters views, I guessed Alice or Patricio are not our preferences. I doubt that neither of them is interested in what happened internationally or particularly in Asia. We refuse to support them since they main interest might be only for Europe/Latin America. Moreover, we already have European on the Board, and looks like they are going to agree on each other despite of who to support them before (namely Asian). The chapters list discussion clearly indicates the supporter want to stop the discussing process because they will win a landslide vote.I'm still inclined to do this regionally, even if we only agree on one candidate, for example. If we want to even think of ourselves as being a viable grouping of Asian chapters, we need to go beyond this national mode of thinking and start looking at things from a broader perspective.
If WMID could vote on one name, we will go for Craig. At least we have a closer Board of Trustees around for smaller Asian Chapters. We are happy to keep reminding him how he got the position and what he promised. Only random thought, but having Australian/Asian as a representative will be advantageous since it's easier for he/she to help Asian potential and meet them face to face. Or, Asian (or potential) chapters representative could come to Australia instead for face to face meeting. That's more visible for us rather than sending someone to Europe or America. Personally, I feel that our current European/American boards are 'unreachable', we need a more reliable and closer board.
We could argue about this, but I don't think it's even worth our time. We know in fact that some non-Asian, non-Australian Chapters are willing to support Craig. It's likely Craig will secure a seat in Board of Trustees if we agree to support him.
Regards,
Kartika
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:34 PM, jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com <jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm still inclined to do this regionally, even if we only agree on one candidate, for example. If we want to even think of ourselves as being a viable grouping of Asian chapters, we need to go beyond this national mode of thinking and start looking at things from a broader perspective.
As it is, even people in the region think the idea of Wikimedia Asia is but that: an idea. We should at least try to prove them wrong.
Josh
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To: "Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination" <wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Chapter selected board seat
Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 1:26 pmOn 8 April 2012 23:01, Siska Doviana <siska.doviana@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Deryck Chan <deryckchan@wikimedia.hk> wrote:I completely agree, that's why I suggested to go as individual
> The main difference between us and Iberocoop is that culturally we're a much
> more diverse bunch then them, therefore within the Wikimedia sphere our
> interests are less aligned with each other than they.
chapters as another option.
But then again what the point of having this list if we keep
> With neither Craig nor Theo putting representing and developing Asian
> Wikimedian communities as their main agendum (correct me if I'm wrong),
> coordinated voting between Asian chapters is probably not in the best
> interests of individual chapters among us.
separating each other? For fun? * it might work too IMHO *
We all know that - to help us talk to each other, and investigate the possibility of cooperating. If we decide to join up, great. But even if we decide to go separate ways, it's good that we've talked to each other and have come to that conclusion.
So? One (HK) say we have to go individually for the chapter's best
interest, another (India) said we should do this regionally, how about
others?
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