That, as you say, is a different matter, and is probably not relevant to this list.
Thanks for clarifying
Cheers,
Peter Southwood
From: Wikimania-l [mailto:wikimania-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of
Bodhisattwa Mandal
Sent: 01 August 2018 09:10
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Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Non-scholarship Wikimania support by Wikimedia affiliates (was
earlier posted on [Wikimediaindia-l] list)
Rahul was not a WMF scholarship recipient, he was sent by affiliate organization CIS -A2K,
which declared that they will send first 3 Wikimedians from India who were in the waiting
list of WMF scholarship recipient list, 2 of them declined to attend the conference.
Instead of arranging for the next person in the waiting list to attend the conference,
Rahul was sent without any transparency or documentation.
I repeat, this specific topic is not suitable for this mailing list as many will not
understand the perspective and community dynamics in India, and thus the question was
asked in India mailing list. I hope, further discussions in this mailing list will be
confined to the general questions asked by Subhashis.
Regards,
Bodhisattwa
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018, 12:25 Peter Southwood, <peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net> wrote:
Any person not specifically banned from attendance is “allowed” to attend Wikimania. Do
you have evidence that he was awarded a scholarship from WMF? If not, I don’t understand
what this is about.
Cheers,
Peter Southwood
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Bodhisattwa Mandal
Sent: 01 August 2018 08:36
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Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Non-scholarship Wikimania support by Wikimedia affiliates (was
earlier posted on [Wikimediaindia-l] list)
Hi,
My question was not whether, the presence of Rahul was useful or not in the Wikimania. My
question was, why he was allowed to attend Wikimania depriving other Wikimedians who were
in the waiting list of scholarship recipients in India, as the scholarship was said to be
given to those who were in the waiting list from India. Where was the documentation or
transparency? Even the WMIN EC members didn't knew about his tour. I question about
the validity of his selection over other Wikimedians from scholarship waiting list.
Secondly, I posted the question in India mailing list, not here, because some Indian
Wikimedians are familiar with what's going on, has insight about the matter. It would
not be possible for others to understand the scenario without knowing the perspective. So,
I request to comment in India mailing list and not here. Like other Indian Wikimedians
attending the conference, I heard many things which question if WMIN should get any future
support of volunteer community members of India or not, but that also, I don't intend
to discuss in this mailing list. I hope, someone will definitely raise them in India
mailing list soon.
So, let's start our discussion here what Subhashis wants to discuss in general. For
specific discussions related to WMIN and Rahul, the India mailing list is open.
Thanks,
Bodhisattwa
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018, 11:28 Anirudh S. Bhati, <anirudhsbh(a)gmail.com> wrote:
This is an issue of internal governance and management. Rahul is a member of the
Executive Committee of Wikimedia India which constitutes six other members who are
collectively responsible for decision-making in the best interests of the organization, as
well as maintaining certain standards of accountability and transparency. Has there been
an attempt to bring this to the attention of Rahul and the WMIN Executive Committee
first?
That being said, I recall having a very productive meeting with Rahul at Wikimania, who
gave me a thorough appraisal of the current status of Wikimedia India, recognizing that I
am one of the founding members. My impression is that Rahul also effectively acted as the
ambassador for Wikimedia India in several discussions, as other participants can also
probably attest. Personally, I appreciate his enthusiasm and efforts towards keeping WMIN
relevant in the broader Wikimedia movement.
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:52 PM Subhashish Panigrahi <psubhashish(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Though I’m not sure if it’d be right to take names here, but this is probably an
opportunity to discuss about:
- if there is a need for consensus when a Wikimedia affiliate provides support to one
person from another affiliate
- if an affiliate provides support if they share it on wiki for transparency or not
- Wikimania scholarship recipients generally create Learning Patterns and write reports.
These are good practices in general but making it mandatory for the scholarship recipients
brings out a really valuable pool of knowledge which otherwise might not be the case
because of the post-Wikimania fatigue. There is a need for more clarity if non-Wikimania
participants (individual/affiliate reps) who travel because of support from another
affiliate should also produce the same
- If an affiliate decides to provide support, should they announce publicly (on regional
mailman lists and meta/village pumps) if there is any conflict. If there was a rationale
that the former used to identify certain individuals, should they share that as well?
I think discussing these above would be useful in general.
Bodhi, didn’t want to steal your thunder but I think some of the general points (above)
can be discussed which in someway would be useful for all such future supports.
Subhashish
Begin forwarded message:
From: Bodhisattwa Mandal <bodhisattwa.rgkmc(a)gmail.com>
Date: July 27, 2018 at 12:32:20 PM GMT+5:30
To: wikimediaindia-l <wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimania tour of Rahul Desmukh
Reply-To: Wikimedia India Community list <wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Hi,
WMIN chapter president Rahul Deshmukh attended Wikimania 2018 in Cape Town without being
selected for any type of scholarship. My question is why was he sent to the conference
depriving other community members from India who were in the waiting list.
He spoke in the informal chairpersons' meetup for few minutes. The meeting doesn't
require president of the organization's presence, and already there were 2 EC member
of WMIN present, who could have attended the meeting.
To me, this is utter misuse of power and abuse of donation money.
Thanks,
Bodhisattwa
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