If there is any way to include a Paypal option, I think it would be very helpful. Restriction to a credit card payment option may significantly impact younger or less wealthy attendees, particularly those not from the European/North American sphere. Even I would prefer to use Paypal because the currency conversion costs are significantly lower than that charged by credit card companies. Risker/Anne On 4 June 2014 10:33, Stuart Prior <stuart.prior(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

For what it’s worth, I managed to pay with my Visa debit card from Denmark. best Joe On 4 June 2014 at 04:01:01 pm, Steffen Prößdorf (steffen.proessdorf(a)wikimedia.de) wrote: Hi there,   we had this discussion with the attendees having a scholarship from WMDE already. In fact even in Germany not everyone of them own a credit card, so that we have to find ways that one pays for others. I don't think that the limitation of only credit card payment is a very wise desicion. PayPal would be a reasonable add.   Best, Steffen     2014-06-04 16:44 GMT+02:00 Risker <risker.wp(a)gmail.com>om>: If there is any way to include a Paypal option, I think it would be very helpful.  Restriction to a credit card payment option may significantly impact younger or less wealthy attendees, particularly those not from the European/North American sphere.  Even I would prefer to use Paypal because the currency conversion costs are significantly lower than that charged by credit card companies.   Risker/Anne On 4 June 2014 10:33, Stuart Prior <stuart.prior(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: Hi Martijn, Yes, it is the only payment option. I appreciate that there are effective and commonly used bank transfer systems in some European countries, but our administrative capacity and the booking website meant we had to settle on one method of payment. We did consider all options and various currency payment options, but we settled on credit card payments as the being most accessible method internationally and the simplest for us to administrate at this scale.  I hope this doesn't prevent you from attending. Best Stuart On 3 June 2014 11:26, Martijn Hoekstra <martijnhoekstra(a)gmail.com> wrote: Currently the only payment method for registration as far as I can find is by credit card. Are more payment options planned and/or considered? --Martijn _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- Stuart Prior Wikimania Liaison Wikimedia UK +44 20 7065 0990 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. -- Steffen Prößdorf Treasurer, member of the board Wikimedia Germany - Association for the promotion of free knowledge http://wikimedia.de Imagine a world, in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That‘s our commitment. _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l --  Joseph Fox Sent with Airmail

Pretty sure the difference is that in the US, “debit cards” as we Brits know them are rare. Joe On 4 June 2014 at 06:13:12 pm, Christopher Cooper (ct-cooper.wikimedia.ml(a)hotmail.co.uk) wrote: As I’ve already mentioned on the wiki, I paid by debit card too, and I’m based in the UK. On the registration page on Eventbite there’s nothing to say that only credit cards are accepted, in fact it explicitly states Visa debit is accepted, so from what I can see, debit cards are fine. I know that in informal English when someone says “we accept credit card” that normally implicitly includes debit cards, but there is still a potential for confusion, and this seems to have thrown a few people here. I’m therefore editing the registration page to make things clearer.   Kind regards, Christopher User: CT Cooper   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper   From: Joseph Fox [mailto:josephfoxwiki@gmail.com] Sent: 04 June 2014 16:02 To: Wikimania general list (open subscription) Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Registration payment options   For what it’s worth, I managed to pay with my Visa debit card from Denmark.   best Joe   On 4 June 2014 at 04:01:01 pm, Steffen Prößdorf (steffen.proessdorf(a)wikimedia.de) wrote: Hi there,   we had this discussion with the attendees having a scholarship from WMDE already. In fact even in Germany not everyone of them own a credit card, so that we have to find ways that one pays for others. I don't think that the limitation of only credit card payment is a very wise desicion. PayPal would be a reasonable add.   Best, Steffen       2014-06-04 16:44 GMT+02:00 Risker <risker.wp(a)gmail.com>om>: If there is any way to include a Paypal option, I think it would be very helpful.  Restriction to a credit card payment option may significantly impact younger or less wealthy attendees, particularly those not from the European/North American sphere.  Even I would prefer to use Paypal because the currency conversion costs are significantly lower than that charged by credit card companies.   Risker/Anne   On 4 June 2014 10:33, Stuart Prior <stuart.prior(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: Hi Martijn, Yes, it is the only payment option. I appreciate that there are effective and commonly used bank transfer systems in some European countries, but our administrative capacity and the booking website meant we had to settle on one method of payment. We did consider all options and various currency payment options, but we settled on credit card payments as the being most accessible method internationally and the simplest for us to administrate at this scale.  I hope this doesn't prevent you from attending. Best   Stuart   On 3 June 2014 11:26, Martijn Hoekstra <martijnhoekstra(a)gmail.com> wrote: Currently the only payment method for registration as far as I can find is by credit card. Are more payment options planned and/or considered?   --Martijn   _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l   -- Stuart Prior Wikimania Liaison Wikimedia UK +44 20 7065 0990 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.   -- Steffen Prößdorf Treasurer, member of the board Wikimedia Germany - Association for the promotion of free knowledge http://wikimedia.de Imagine a world, in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That‘s our commitment. _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l --  Joseph Fox Sent with Airmail _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l --  Joseph Fox Sent with Airmail

On Jun 4, 2014 10:37 AM, "Michael Snow" <wikipedia(a)frontier.com> wrote: know them are rare. the US. But yes, if your debit card has a logo for one of the big payment processors, then most merchants displaying that logo should be able to accept it, even if their transactions use a credit function rather than the debit function. The problem is that in many continental European countries, MasterCard/Visa cards with 16-digit numbers etc are things that most people don't have. Payments are made using chip&PIN cards or bank transfer. I've always been baffled by how hesitant UK-based individuals and companies are to give me their bank account information (so I can send them money), citing security concerns. Roan

On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Richard Symonds < richard.symonds(a)wikimedia.org.uk&gt; wrote: Unfortunately (at least here), no. --Martijn

On Jun 4, 2014 2:19 PM, "Roan Kattouw" &lt;roan.kattouw(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: of things like this: http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/permalink/clarksons_account_gets_… ... universe doesn't have a better system. Publishing bank details is common in .nl and direct debit fraud is rare (and harshly punished). In the US, and I guess other countries too you can get accounts that are not used for making payments at all (just receiving funds) so you don't have to worry as much about publishing the number. I think those are mostly used for big operations like a major charity. I guess then there's a set, unpublished whitelist of places that account cab transfer out to. Also, in the US there is software that automatically removes or crops account/routing #s from check images. (e.g. what you get on a paper receipt on making a check deposit at an ATM. they give 3 options on screen for receipt: none, with images, without images) (I wonder if this mandated somehow?) -Jeremy

I know from when I was in fundraising there is an enormous amount of people in Europe (and elsewhere obviously but an enormous amount of people who wanted to donate in Europe) who didn't have credit cards and required other ways to pay (we, luckily, had paypal but even then we had to start adding other payment options). Debit cards were a weird bunch depending on the country, even where they had the visa/mastercard logo they would often not work in large chunks (most of the debit cards coming from India and Brazil for example). James Alexander Legal and Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Risker &lt;risker.wp(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Austin Hair &lt;adhair(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: +1 It is a headache for me to pay via credit card (send euros to the US, with bank fee / exchange penalty), then pay penalty again to pay in pounds or whatnot from US $. Doing this is a big pet peeve and only do with great hesitation and very good reason. Paypal is also problematic for me in europe and not an option (although it works for most people apparently) Bank transfer would be the way to go. (me send money to Wikimedia UK or somewhere trusted) quick google search finds http://help.eventbrite.com/customer/portal/articles/1267789-use-ideal-to-pr… would that be an option? Cheers, Katie -- @wikimediadc / @wikidata

On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Lodewijk &lt;lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org&gt; wrote: Looks like Eventbrite has made paypal a bit easier to integrate: http://help.eventbrite.com/customer/portal/articles/426298-use-paypal-to-pr… (the openstreetmap conferences do this, using eventbrite and also allow me to send bank transfer) and http://help.eventbrite.com/customer/portal/articles/1267789-use-ideal-to-pr… I realise it's still perhaps not that simple but think it's also not that difficult. Cheers, Katie So given the short time, I think the most reasonable would be - even though -- @wikimediadc / @wikidata

On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Andrew Gray &lt;andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk&gt; wrote: :( ugh Paypal allows credit card payment also. http://help.eventbrite.com/customer/en_us/portal/articles/430152-paypal-acc… There are some countries where paypal can't be used, which is significant drawback. Don't know if/how this issue applies for the default eventbrite payment option. (it still wouldn't work well for me, since for some reason (don't ask;) i can't have euro paypal account) It can be some of work but not that bad. worth it imho to accommodate on case-by-case basis. (this is how i register for osm conferences) In the future, we probably want a registration system (like the scholarship app) that reuses more of the fundraising infrastructure (e.g. Global Collect) and so that each year's team doesn't have to reinvent this. Likely Ellie is aware of this, but revamping the scholarships was enough work for this year. :) Cheers, Katie -- @wikimediadc / @wikidata

Stuart Prior, 04/06/2014 16:33: Some? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Euro_Payments_Area Nemo

In the interest of providing free knowledge for all(/me), how is Paypal better where credit/debit cards don't work? (I would assume you still have to get your money into Paypal somehow.) Best regards, Bence On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Stuart Prior &lt;stuart.prior(a)wikimedia.org.uk&gt; wrote:

Hi Bence, this may differ from country to country. In Germany I can put money on my PayPal account via credit card, wire transfer, or direct debit/withdrawal. That's why PayPal is (I know, in Germany) quite comfortable to use. Best, Steffen 2014-06-06 13:17 GMT+02:00 Bence Damokos &lt;bdamokos(a)gmail.com&gt;om>:

Joe, Increasingly we are finding that very little is obvious :-) EdSaperia Sent from my iPhone On 6 Jun 2014, at 12:31, Joseph Fox &lt;josephfoxwiki(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

Dear Stuart, Stuart Prior schreef op 4-6-2014 16:33: This means it becomes very hard for a lot of people to pay this. I could provide anecdotal evidence about how I never (maybe once?) used a credit card in the Netherlands, but I found something much more fun: http://sdw.ecb.europa.eu/reports.do?node=1000004051 Not providing an alternative payment method severely hinders the accessibility of the conference. Maarten Ps. Why don't we have a Wikipedia article about credit card usage per country? ;-)