A quick peek suggests that these are the costs for Wikimedia Deutschland, not for the movement. It does not include the travel/accommodation/staff costs of all the chapters that funded themselves (or even where volunteers funded themselves). This should all be included to give a fair picture. Best, Lodewijk On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l

My thinking is that if WMDE can produce an accounting for a major event's expenses to the degree to which they have visibility (this excludes chapter-funded travel costs, and WMF and affiliate staff compensation) in a few months, then at least that level of detail should be expected for Wikimedia accounting within, say, 6 months after the event. Creating a standardized framework for large event expense reporting might be a good step. Given WMDE's success, perhaps WMF could build off of their framework to create a shared framework for public reporting of financial expenses for all major WMF funded events (All-staff and hackathons included). Pine On Aug 24, 2015 9:37 AM, "Stuart Prior" &lt;stuartpriorwiki(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Concur with Lodewijk, additionally in terms of number of attendees and > the amount of partner organisations and vendors involved, it's an entirely > different scale. > > Wikimedia Conference is a staffed organisation running a relatively > simple event on their home-turf. > Wikimania is a mix of volunteers and the Foundation organising an > international event which has changing factors year on year. > Well done for WMDE being so prompt with the accounts, but I'm not sure > it's a methodology for budgeting & accounting which accounts for the > difference in the time it takes to produce accounts. > More the relative scale of and the resources applied to each event. > > Best > Stuart > User:Battleofalma > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Lodewijk &lt;lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org&gt; > wrote: > >> A quick peek suggests that these are the costs for Wikimedia >> Deutschland, not for the movement. It does not include the >> travel/accommodation/staff costs of all the chapters that funded themselves >> (or even where volunteers funded themselves). This should all be included >> to give a fair picture. >> >> Best, >> Lodewijk >> >> On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Pine W &lt;wiki.pine(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >> >>> Thanks for bringing up the subject of financial accounting for major >>> events. I would just like to note that our colleagues at Wikimedia >>> Deutschland who hosted Wikimedia Conference 2015 published an accounting of >>> that conference's finances just a few months after the conference ( >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2015/Budget_and_financ…). >>> Perhaps other events could use a similar method for budgeting and >>> accounting so that other reports are also produced in a timely manner. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Pine >>> On Aug 23, 2015 8:04 AM, "Itzik - Wikimedia Israel" < >>> itzik(a)wikimedia.org.il&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> This is not my first email about this issue, but I really think it's >>>> really important. Wikimania is the highest expense for our movement. From >>>> the conference production cost, WMF scholarships, chapter scholarships and >>>> WMF and chapters delegations - amounts that is almost one million dollar, >>>> if not more. >>>> >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania >>>> >>>> >>>> Wikimania 2012-2013 budgets were been published but still consider as >>>> "draft": >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013/Budget >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2012/Budget >>>> >>>> If the conference organization leader can be please approve this >>>> numbers and remove the draft template - it will be great. >>>> >>>> WMCH, Affcom, WMAR and WMDE are welcome to complete their information >>>> regarding their delegations and scholarships given by them. >>>> >>>> For 2014 - we don't have any data. Not conference budget, not >>>> scholarships and not chapters numbers. Edward - your help will be welcome. >>>> I personally asked my ED to complete the information for WMIL, and I >>>> welcome others to do so as well. >>>> >>>> Ellie and the Wikimania committee - there is something we can do in >>>> order to take care for this pages to be update yearly? >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you everyone! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Regards,Itzik Edri* >>>> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel >>>> +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il >>>> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the >>>> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>> Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>> Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > >