Dear Wikimaniacs,
Hello from the Wikimania 2013 Hong Kong local team! We are beginning the process of inviting external keynote speakers, and would like the wider Wikimania community to review our shortlist before we make formal invitations.
Feel free to suggest additional names for the list. We have more than two names at the moment, so do reply if you have preferences among the list too!
*Current shortlist, and suggested topics for each speaker:* Ray Chan, co-founder of 9gag.com *Creating an online user-generated community and how it's similar to Wikipedia* http://www.blogosem.com/2012/01/9gag-foundercreator.html
Charles Mok, founder of Internet Society Hong Kong, member of LegCo (Hong Kong's parliament) *Copyright and censorship in the digital age, and how they interact with free culture*
Arianna Huffington of The Huffington Post *Create an online user generated community on the Internet and how it's similar to Wikipedia*
Thomas Crampton, Social@Ogilvy *How South East Asia local cultures affect their online culture
* Ada Wong, Founder of Hong Kong Institute of Contemporary Culture and Supervisor of HKICC Lee Shau Kee School of Creativity (the only 'art high school' in Hong Kong) *Creating a creative community and open dialogues for young people in HK and in the region*
Thank you in advance for your ideas! Deryck Chan Global engagement coordinator, Wikimania 2013 / Wikimedia Hong Kong
I would hardly recommend the founder of 9gag or Arianna Huffington, but really, you should be prepared to invite as many people as you can.
And I think the decision of the keynote speaker is up to your committee. What theme do you want to set for the conference? When we selected Mary Gardiner to keynote Wikimania 2012, it was to set the tone of our priority as a conference: inclusion and diversity of our contributors.
Otherwise, I don't feel entitled to an opinion one way or another.
On Oct 4, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Deryck Chan wrote:
Dear Wikimaniacs,
Hello from the Wikimania 2013 Hong Kong local team! We are beginning the process of inviting external keynote speakers, and would like the wider Wikimania community to review our shortlist before we make formal invitations.
Feel free to suggest additional names for the list. We have more than two names at the moment, so do reply if you have preferences among the list too!
Current shortlist, and suggested topics for each speaker: Ray Chan, co-founder of 9gag.com Creating an online user-generated community and how it's similar to Wikipedia
Charles Mok, founder of Internet Society Hong Kong, member of LegCo (Hong Kong's parliament) Copyright and censorship in the digital age, and how they interact with free culture
Arianna Huffington of The Huffington Post Create an online user generated community on the Internet and how it's similar to Wikipedia
Thomas Crampton, Social@Ogilvy How South East Asia local cultures affect their online culture
Ada Wong, Founder of Hong Kong Institute of Contemporary Culture and Supervisor of HKICC Lee Shau Kee School of Creativity (the only 'art high school' in Hong Kong) Creating a creative community and open dialogues for young people in HK and in the region
Thank you in advance for your ideas! Deryck Chan Global engagement coordinator, Wikimania 2013 / Wikimedia Hong Kong
Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Hi folks, good to see you're asking early.
Here's my two cents:
There are several ways to go. Get someone interesting for: 1. the Asia region 2. Free culture or technology 3. Community, Internet culture 4. GLAM and public knowledge
As for the current list, my feedback:
1. Ray Chan, 9gag. Certainly 9gag has made a splash in the geekier Internet community, but it would be good to see what he'd want to talk about first and whether it had any relevance to Wikipedians and free culture. Important to remember: Wikimania is first and foremost a community event, not just a great speaker series.
2. Charles Mok, certainly relevant to the conference, but not sure how exciting a speaker he is.
3. Arianna Huffington. Not really a fan of this pick. Can get quite political, and not obvious the overlap between her site and free culture.
4. Thomas Crampton is a good pick. He was a respected working journalist and may be able to set the table on what Wikipedia and free culture mean across Asia.
5. Don't know much about Ada Wong.
That said, how about some other ideas:
1. Joi Ito. He's a great friend of Wikipedia, and spoke in 2007 Wikimania in Taiwan. He's now MIT Media Lab director, and could give great Asia perspectives.
2. Clay Shirky. I suggested this last year to DC, but it didn't go anywhere. Not sure he'd want to make the long trip to HK.
Perhaps instead of having one big keynote, we may want to have a few smaller ones or invited speakers in slots. Just an idea, since it would provide ways to get more Asia-based folks without the grandeur of a large keynote spot. Crampton, for example, is a good example of someone I want to hear speak but perhaps not as a headliner.
We did something similar to this in Boston Wikimania by having a world class lineup like Yochai Benkler, Brewster Kahle, David Weinberger, Lawrence Lessig, Mitch Kapor, among others. It was an awesome set of speakers.
-Andrew
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Deryck Chan deryckchan@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Wikimaniacs,
Hello from the Wikimania 2013 Hong Kong local team! We are beginning the process of inviting external keynote speakers, and would like the wider Wikimania community to review our shortlist before we make formal invitations.
Feel free to suggest additional names for the list. We have more than two names at the moment, so do reply if you have preferences among the list too!
*Current shortlist, and suggested topics for each speaker:* Ray Chan, co-founder of 9gag.com *Creating an online user-generated community and how it's similar to Wikipedia* http://www.blogosem.com/2012/01/9gag-foundercreator.html
Charles Mok, founder of Internet Society Hong Kong, member of LegCo (Hong Kong's parliament) *Copyright and censorship in the digital age, and how they interact with free culture*
Arianna Huffington of The Huffington Post *Create an online user generated community on the Internet and how it's similar to Wikipedia*
Thomas Crampton, Social@Ogilvy *How South East Asia local cultures affect their online culture
Ada Wong, Founder of Hong Kong Institute of Contemporary Culture and Supervisor of HKICC Lee Shau Kee School of Creativity (the only 'art high school' in Hong Kong) *Creating a creative community and open dialogues for young people in HK and in the region*
Thank you in advance for your ideas! Deryck Chan Global engagement coordinator, Wikimania 2013 / Wikimedia Hong Kong
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Thanks for starting this thread. It's cool to hear thinking about Wikimania 2013 speaker options early on. I really like the categories Andrew proposed, and I think it will help clarify the thinking around what different speakers can bring to the table.
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Andrew Lih andrew@andrewlih.com wrote:
- Ray Chan, 9gag. Certainly 9gag has made a splash in the geekier
Internet community, but it would be good to see what he'd want to talk about first and whether it had any relevance to Wikipedians and free culture. Important to remember: Wikimania is first and foremost a community event, not just a great speaker series.
In addition to what Andrew said...
To be totally honest: 9gag is viewed by many Internet communities, such as Reddit and 4chan, as a leech which contributes very little to these communities. There are often rules that explicitly disallow use of 9gag stuff on some of these sites. I don't think we necessarily want to align ourselves with 9gag, and I don't think they would have much of substance to say about how read online community is formed or operates.
If we want a general meme-ery speaker, Chris Poole of 4chan and Canvas fame would be fantastic, though like Andrew said, the direct connection is somewhat tenuous.
- Charles Mok, certainly relevant to the conference, but not sure how
exciting a speaker he is.
- Arianna Huffington. Not really a fan of this pick. Can get quite
political, and not obvious the overlap between her site and free culture.
+1. Too American-centric, too political.
- Thomas Crampton is a good pick. He was a respected working journalist
and may be able to set the table on what Wikipedia and free culture mean across Asia.
- Don't know much about Ada Wong.
That said, how about some other ideas:
- Joi Ito. He's a great friend of Wikipedia, and spoke in 2007 Wikimania
in Taiwan. He's now MIT Media Lab director, and could give great Asia perspectives.
Joi also has a strong free culture perspective. I think as far as someone who can balance a global and regional perspective, he's a great pick.
Maybe a wiki page about the options would be a good place to store a list for consideration?
http://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Keynotes&action=edi...:)
Steven
On Thursday, October 4, 2012, Steven Walling wrote:
- Arianna Huffington. Not really a fan of this pick. Can get quite
political, and not obvious the overlap between her site and free culture.
+1. Too American-centric, too political.
Must note that as a Wikinewsie, it might interesting to have someone like Arianna or someone else who is involved in social news and citizen journalism. But that might conflict with the requirement that we never talk about the sister projects. :-)
Ha! Tom, I like your thinking about Arianna and Wikinews relationship. For that reason, having her in some way that isn't just a "keynote" per se would be interesting. Perhaps a "conversation with Arianna" or an on-stage interview would be interesting.
On the other hand, Arianna is not known to go to Asia that much on the Huffington Post's behalf, and if she's not headlining I'm not sure she'd be interested.
-Andrew
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Tom Morris tom@tommorris.org wrote:
On Thursday, October 4, 2012, Steven Walling wrote:
- Arianna Huffington. Not really a fan of this pick. Can get quite
political, and not obvious the overlap between her site and free culture.
+1. Too American-centric, too political.
Must note that as a Wikinewsie, it might interesting to have someone like Arianna or someone else who is involved in social news and citizen journalism. But that might conflict with the requirement that we never talk about the sister projects. :-)
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On 4 October 2012 22:05, Steven Walling steven.walling@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for starting this thread.
Thanks Deror Lin for the idea :)
It's cool to hear thinking about Wikimania 2013 speaker options early on. I really like the categories Andrew proposed, and I think it will help clarify the thinking around what different speakers can bring to the table.
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Andrew Lih andrew@andrewlih.com wrote:
- Ray Chan, 9gag. Certainly 9gag has made a splash in the geekier
Internet community, but it would be good to see what he'd want to talk about first and whether it had any relevance to Wikipedians and free culture. Important to remember: Wikimania is first and foremost a community event, not just a great speaker series.
In addition to what Andrew said...
To be totally honest: 9gag is viewed by many Internet communities, such as Reddit and 4chan, as a leech which contributes very little to these communities. There are often rules that explicitly disallow use of 9gag stuff on some of these sites. I don't think we necessarily want to align ourselves with 9gag, and I don't think they would have much of substance to say about how read online community is formed or operates.
If we want a general meme-ery speaker, Chris Poole of 4chan and Canvas fame would be fantastic, though like Andrew said, the direct connection is somewhat tenuous.
Ray Chan was proposed because he is the most world-famous internet entrepreneur born and bred in Hong Kong, ie. on the premise of "local and world famous" rather than on the merits of 9gag. Thanks for the ideas though.
- Charles Mok, certainly relevant to the conference, but not sure how
exciting a speaker he is.
- Arianna Huffington. Not really a fan of this pick. Can get quite
political, and not obvious the overlap between her site and free culture.
+1. Too American-centric, too political.
- Thomas Crampton is a good pick. He was a respected working journalist
and may be able to set the table on what Wikipedia and free culture mean across Asia.
- Don't know much about Ada Wong.
That said, how about some other ideas:
- Joi Ito. He's a great friend of Wikipedia, and spoke in 2007 Wikimania
in Taiwan. He's now MIT Media Lab director, and could give great Asia perspectives.
Joi also has a strong free culture perspective. I think as far as someone who can balance a global and regional perspective, he's a great pick.
Maybe a wiki page about the options would be a good place to store a list for consideration?
http://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Keynotes&action=edi...:)
Would prefer to keep the discussion on Wikimania-l so that it'll be a public consultation but not too Googlable. I don't think Arianna Huffington will be impressed if she sees on [[wm2013:keynote]] "Arianna Huffington: too America-centric, we don't like her" :)
Deryck
Hi all,
I would like to repeat my advice from last year: try to start off with a hilarious keynote. A comedian. Andrew is quite right Wikimania should be foremost a community event, and making the community feel as a community is an important aspect to that. Another alternative would be to have a keynote session at the beginning that aims at mixing the two crowds.
What I remember very clearly from Taiwan (and Egypt, Buenos Aires, Gdansk and Haifa in a lesser extent) was that the mixing between locals and internationals was quite limited. If we can find a way to bridge between these two, that would be good. Possibly humor might be a way to accomplish that - another possibility would be an activity (i.e. not listening to someone but someone who lets the hall *do* something in a fun and involving way). In those scenarios it wouldn't be so important that the person or their organization is well known, but the more important that there's a real impact. If it would be successfull, that could be a positive wave felt throughout the conference. Of course it is also a risk: if it fails, it would be quite awkward.
Anyway, just throwing in a few cents :)
Lodewijk
El jueves, 4 de octubre de 2012, Andrew Lih escribió:
Hi folks, good to see you're asking early.
Here's my two cents:
There are several ways to go. Get someone interesting for:
- the Asia region
- Free culture or technology
- Community, Internet culture
- GLAM and public knowledge
As for the current list, my feedback:
- Ray Chan, 9gag. Certainly 9gag has made a splash in the geekier
Internet community, but it would be good to see what he'd want to talk about first and whether it had any relevance to Wikipedians and free culture. Important to remember: Wikimania is first and foremost a community event, not just a great speaker series.
- Charles Mok, certainly relevant to the conference, but not sure how
exciting a speaker he is.
- Arianna Huffington. Not really a fan of this pick. Can get quite
political, and not obvious the overlap between her site and free culture.
- Thomas Crampton is a good pick. He was a respected working journalist
and may be able to set the table on what Wikipedia and free culture mean across Asia.
- Don't know much about Ada Wong.
That said, how about some other ideas:
- Joi Ito. He's a great friend of Wikipedia, and spoke in 2007 Wikimania
in Taiwan. He's now MIT Media Lab director, and could give great Asia perspectives.
- Clay Shirky. I suggested this last year to DC, but it didn't go
anywhere. Not sure he'd want to make the long trip to HK.
Perhaps instead of having one big keynote, we may want to have a few smaller ones or invited speakers in slots. Just an idea, since it would provide ways to get more Asia-based folks without the grandeur of a large keynote spot. Crampton, for example, is a good example of someone I want to hear speak but perhaps not as a headliner.
We did something similar to this in Boston Wikimania by having a world class lineup like Yochai Benkler, Brewster Kahle, David Weinberger, Lawrence Lessig, Mitch Kapor, among others. It was an awesome set of speakers.
-Andrew
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Deryck Chan <deryckchan@gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'deryckchan@gmail.com');>
wrote:
Dear Wikimaniacs,
Hello from the Wikimania 2013 Hong Kong local team! We are beginning the process of inviting external keynote speakers, and would like the wider Wikimania community to review our shortlist before we make formal invitations.
Feel free to suggest additional names for the list. We have more than two names at the moment, so do reply if you have preferences among the list too!
*Current shortlist, and suggested topics for each speaker:* Ray Chan, co-founder of 9gag.com *Creating an online user-generated community and how it's similar to Wikipedia* http://www.blogosem.com/2012/01/9gag-foundercreator.html
Charles Mok, founder of Internet Society Hong Kong, member of LegCo (Hong Kong's parliament) *Copyright and censorship in the digital age, and how they interact with free culture*
Arianna Huffington of The Huffington Post *Create an online user generated community on the Internet and how it's similar to Wikipedia*
Thomas Crampton, Social@Ogilvy *How South East Asia local cultures affect their online culture
Ada Wong, Founder of Hong Kong Institute of Contemporary Culture and Supervisor of HKICC Lee Shau Kee School of Creativity (the only 'art high school' in Hong Kong) *Creating a creative community and open dialogues for young people in HK and in the region*
Thank you in advance for your ideas! Deryck Chan Global engagement coordinator, Wikimania 2013 / Wikimedia Hong Kong
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I'd like to point the Hongkong and past Wikimania teams to check out this page and ask them to add their information as well:
https://wikimaniateam.wikimedia.org/wiki/Keynote_Speakers
/Manuel
Hi lists,
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 2:21 AM, Andrew Lih andrew@andrewlih.com wrote:
Here's my two cents:
There are several ways to go. Get someone interesting for:
- the Asia region
- Free culture or technology
- Community, Internet culture
- GLAM and public knowledge
Good points.
I recommend Makoto Okamoto. After Eastern Japan Earthquake happend on March 11, 2011, he started the activity to save museums, libraries, archives and kominkan (community centers) from the damage of the quake. He deserves 1 and 4 of criteria above (and some of 2 and 3, I suppose). Although he is not a famous person outside Japan, I believe he can share how to connect communities to change the society.
For more details, see: http://savemlak.jp/wiki/saveMLAK/en?lang=en&uselang=en http://savemlak.jp/wiki/saveMLAK:saveMLAK%E3%81%AB%E3%81%A4%E3%81%84%E3%81%A...
--OTA Takashi [[User:Takot]]
I have never heard of him, but according to Takashi's description, it's certainly interesting if he can relate his experience to the Wikipedian community in the event of disaster, the community response in the form of a wiki website, and so forth. Even if he doesn't deserve the prime time, he should be contacted at least. Does his work also crosses path with Japanese Wikipedia, Takashi, and what's his background?
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Regards, benny
________________________________ From: Takashi OTA supertakot+wikimania@gmail.com To: Wikimania general list (open subscription) wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Wikimania 2013 Hong Kong team wikimania@wikimedia.hk Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2013 keynote - suggestions
Hi lists,
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 2:21 AM, Andrew Lih andrew@andrewlih.com wrote:
Here's my two cents:
There are several ways to go. Get someone interesting for:
- the Asia region
- Free culture or technology
- Community, Internet culture
- GLAM and public knowledge
Good points.
I recommend Makoto Okamoto. After Eastern Japan Earthquake happend on March 11, 2011, he started the activity to save museums, libraries, archives and kominkan (community centers) from the damage of the quake. He deserves 1 and 4 of criteria above (and some of 2 and 3, I suppose). Although he is not a famous person outside Japan, I believe he can share how to connect communities to change the society.
For more details, see: http://savemlak.jp/wiki/saveMLAK/en?lang=en&uselang=en http://savemlak.jp/wiki/saveMLAK:saveMLAK%E3%81%AB%E3%81%A4%E3%81%84%E3%81%A...
--OTA Takashi [[User:Takot]]
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Hi Benny and lists,
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Benny bknliem@yahoo.com wrote:
I have never heard of him, but according to Takashi's description, it's certainly interesting if he can relate his experience to the Wikipedian community in the event of disaster, the community response in the form of a wiki website, and so forth. Even if he doesn't deserve the prime time, he should be contacted at least. Does his work also crosses path with Japanese Wikipedia, Takashi, and what's his background?
Thanks for your interests. I'm not sure whether his work has crossed path with Japanese Wikipedia (that's because I have not comprehensively checked his work. It does not mean he did nothing for it.) I'll add lines here if I found further details.
According to his self-bio: http://www.arg.ne.jp/node/7000 (written in Japanese, sorry) He worked for a publishing company serving as an editor for a year, after graduated from International Christian University. After leaving the publisher, he worked as self-employed and later joined Yahoo! Japan. He worked for Y! search, Categories, Staff Blog, Y! Chiebukuro (Q&A UGM), Search Ranking, Y! Encyclopedia (free search of a proprietary encyclopedia) and so on. Beside his professional work, he started Academic Resource Guide (ARG, http://www.arg.ne.jp/) since 1999 as a voluntary work. In 2009, he left Y! Japan and made ARG a private firm.
--Takashi
On Friday, 5 October 2012 at 17:39, Takashi OTA wrote:
Good points.
I recommend Makoto Okamoto. After Eastern Japan Earthquake happend on March 11, 2011, he started the activity to save museums, libraries, archives and kominkan (community centers) from the damage of the quake. He deserves 1 and 4 of criteria above (and some of 2 and 3, I suppose). Although he is not a famous person outside Japan, I believe he can share how to connect communities to change the society.
For more details, see: http://savemlak.jp/wiki/saveMLAK/en?lang=en&uselang=en http://savemlak.jp/wiki/saveMLAK:saveMLAK%E3%81%AB%E3%81%A4%E3%81%84%E3%81%A...
That reminds me of HOT, the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team.
You think building Wikipedia is cool? How about becoming the almost live updating map of choice for humanitarian NGOs and the United Nations during a disaster? ;-)
Current shortlist, and suggested topics for each speaker: Ray Chan, co-founder of 9gag.com Creating an online user-generated community and how it's similar to Wikipedia
Just to reiterate, that this is probablzy one of the worst possible choices and would most likely make us the laughing stock of the rest of the internet. In particular the comunity building aspect is highly questionable with ample evidence that 9gag is in large part a fake community, with institutionalized repost accounts (http://www.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/zacju/9gag_repost_machine_explained/) and no community that actively generates original content. Also 9gag is known for blatant copyright violations (see the recent 'the oatmeal' case). This is absolutely not a website that I would like to see Wikimedia assosiate with in any way. Dschwen
On 10/04/2012 12:20 PM, Deryck Chan wrote:
Dear Wikimaniacs,
Hello from the Wikimania 2013 Hong Kong local team! We are beginning the process of inviting external keynote speakers, and would like the wider Wikimania community to review our shortlist before we make formal invitations.
Feel free to suggest additional names for the list. We have more than two names at the moment, so do reply if you have preferences among the list too!
[snip]
Thank you, Deryck!
A few additional suggestions:
Finn Brunton, an academic who thinks a lot about privacy, spam, trust, and similar topics: http://finnb.net/cv.html
Jennifer 8 Lee, US journalist of Chinese heritage who has worked on the Knight Foundation's News Challenge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_8_Lee
Audrey Tang, a Taiwanese programmer who's well-known in the Perl community and who worked on the new parser for MediaWiki (the underpinnings of the new visual editor): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audrey_Tang
Just for completeness, I'm including this link to the suggested names from the previous Wikimania, even though you've probably already thought about them: https://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Schedule/Keynote (includes Irina Bokova of UNESCO, academic Clay Shirky, anthopologist Biella Coleman, etc.)
On 10/04/12 9:20 AM, Deryck Chan wrote:
Dear Wikimaniacs,
Hello from the Wikimania 2013 Hong Kong local team! We are beginning the process of inviting external keynote speakers, and would like the wider Wikimania community to review our shortlist before we make formal invitations.
Feel free to suggest additional names for the list. We have more than two names at the moment, so do reply if you have preferences among the list too!
Michael Geist: a Canadian lawyer and columnist. He has been very active in copyright, privacy, and other aspects of internet law, and an elected member of the Canadian Internet Registration Authority. He also appeared before the European Parliament's committee examining ACTA before it was rejected by them.
Ray
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