On 24 Mar 2014 20:35, "Andrew Gray" <andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk> wrote:

As a quick note, the ticket prices for GLAM-Wiki in 2013 were set in
two tiers - simply "individual" and "institutional", and we left it to
people to figure out what they felt was appropriate in their case. I
don't think there was a "Wikimedian" rate, but this was implicitly who
we were targeting with "individual".

Both were probably below-cost, at £20 and £50 (?) for two days, but I
don't have a copy of the calculations to hand to be sure by how much -
in any case, the only major cost was that of catering for two days, as
the venue and technical support were covered either by the BL or WMUK,
and a part-contribution to the cost of speakers travel.

One issue that might be worth bearing in mind is that a below-cost
ticket for Wikimania 2014 might well cost substantially more than an
above-cost ticket for Wikimania 2005 - as Wikimania has grown, it's
being run at a pretty high standard and the costs are no doubt
climbing to match. If we want a cheaper conference - should we be
scaling back to something less expensive and less professional?

Andrew.


On 23 March 2014 01:54, Deryck Chan <deryckchan@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wikimania indeed has a tradition of setting artificially low entry prices
> for the reasons Nicholas described earlier in this thread. Of course,
> there's nothing to stop Wikimania 2014 from raising ticket prices. I should
> remind though that until 2013 we basically have a hierarchy of 4 ticket
> prices:
>
> 1. Non-Wikimedian price: supposedly the full cost (but is still effectively
> slightly subsidised)
> 2. Wikimedian price: substantially subsidised entry and food, for those
> who've paid a lot to travel to the venue from the other side of the world
> 3. Partial scholarship: for those who can almost / just about afford to
> attend Wikimania on their own budget, but would use up their savings unless
> their air travel was subsidised. The partial scholarship encourages them to
> go to *more* Wikimanias.
> 4. Full scholarship (for those who simply can't afford Wikimania)
>
> In 2014, the partial scholarship is removed, so I would hesitate to raise
> the Wikimedian ticket prices, lest we disincentivise "medium-income"
> Wikimedians (particularly students) from attending. However, by all means
> consider raising the non-Wikimedian price, or even have a "donor price"
> (full cost + £100, say?) with a shiny badge to let generous attendees pay
> more!
>
> Deryck
>
> Deryck
>
> On 23 Mar 2014 08:07, "Charles Gregory" <wmau.lists@chuq.net> wrote:
>>
>> My impression was that the prices took into account that (a) most members
>> of the Wikimedia community are volunteers (b) most attendees have paid many
>> hundreds, if not thousands of US$ in airfares/accommodation costs to attend,
>> on top of the ticket price.  Volunteers also have to use up their own annual
>> leave (or forgo wages) if their Wikimedia activities are not on behalf of
>> their employer.
>>
>> You could get away with having separate rates.  The other conference I
>> have experience with, Linux.conf.au, has rates which differ by almost an
>> order of magnitude: Professional $899, Hobbyist $399, Student $99.  (These
>> prices are Australian dollars, which is approx USD +/- 10%)  (IMHO the
>> Hobbyist rate here is still a bit high for a volunteer.)  This conference
>> is, however, a major source of income for Linux Australia, whereas Wikimania
>> is indirectly supported by donations to WMF.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Charles
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Nicholas Bashour
>> <nicholasbashour@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> For Wikimania 2012, I remember that we wanted to make sure the largest
>>> number of people could attend. DC was an expensive enough city that we felt
>>> if registration prices were too high, it may discourage some of the people
>>> who didn't get scholarships from attending.
>>>
>>> That being said, there's no reason why future Wikimanias shouldn't offer
>>> various pricing options, like higher "individual sponsorship" registration
>>> for those who want to sponsor on a smaller level, student registration, etc.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Nicholas Michael Bashour
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > Am 22.03.2014 um 19:21 schrieb Samuel Klein <meta.sj@gmail.com>:
>>> >
>>> > Proposed prices for Wikimania tickets continue to seem artificially
>>> > low.  I'm not sure what the benefit to this is. Could people who have
>>> > run events in other contexts comment on how you set ticket prices?
>>> >
>>> > In my experience, tickets are set at roughly what it costs for each
>>> > person to attend. Then there may be different sorts of tickets: for
>>> > local supporters & volunteers, for school groups, for students &
>>> > community members, presenters, VIPs & sponsors. Sponsorship helps
>>> > ensure how many tickets of each type there are.  Last-minute tickets
>>> > are more expensive.
>>> >
>>> > This has a few benefits:
>>> > * tickets fully cover the cost of food and materials
>>> > * tickets contribute significantly to covering the cost of the event
>>> > * scholarships and reimbursements for attendance (for scholars,
>>> > professionals, academics all getting covered by their home
>>> > institutions), in paying for tickets, cover the full cost of those
>>> > people attending the event.
>>> > * more accurate headcounts in advance.
>>> >
>>> > Warmly,
>>> > Sam
>>> >
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