Concurring  with  Gnangarra: equally , if not  much  more important, is the invaluable face-to-face opportunity to  discuss projects on which people  work  together online - and with the WMF if they  are involved. There is no  substitute for  it - especially for  en.Wiki whose volunteers are spread around the entire globe. The impact I  brought  back from  Wikimanias was in  2012 in D.C. which  resulted in the creation  of the NewpagesFeed/Curation tools, and Italy 2016 which  finally resulted in  ACTRIAL  this year after years of wrangling - both  major Wikipedia features/policies requiring  the consent  of senior WMF staff. Admittedly  my  attendance doesn't  do  much  for  Thailand where I  actually live as an expat. 

The scholarships system does not  take this kind of  work  for  the movement by  people who  need to be present at these meetings into  consideration, and I’m  sure this is equally important for volunteers,  who  just  for  example, are dedicated to  closing the gender gap, making Wikipedia more accessible in  the 'Global South’, and discussing  policies and technical issues.

There is also  the point  I  mentioned earlier that  there needs to be more coordination between the scholarships committe and the presentations committee for  the people who  have developed significant presentations only  to  be rejected at  the last  minute, or even after their arrival at  the conference. In  my  experience, plenty  of presentations are not  actually of major importance or interest, and maybe this is one of the reasons, as mentioned by  Gnangarra why  the process should be begun earlier.


Kudpung


On 01, Jun2018, at 22:31, Gnangarra <gnangarra@gmail.com> wrote:

there is a reporting component, but in some cases the benefit is not what a person brings back, its the local experiences they share while there that really matters.   Overall the exchanging of knowledge and the building of relationships is the key value of Wikimanias yet when it comes to reporting its the immediate numbers that get focus, nowhere have the wmf gone back to recipients 2,3 or 4 years later to see what the impact was and if that continued beyond the immediate post event reporting.

Maybe the scholarship process could open earlier so that more time can be invested in the selection process, its would also give more time to arrange visas and help more people plan ahead 



On 1 June 2018 at 23:07, Sjoerd de Bruin <sjoerddebruin@me.com> wrote:
I think that is already included in scholarship applications, if I remember correctly.

Greetings,

Sjoerd de Bruin

Op 1 jun. 2018, om 17:06 heeft Julie Workman <mlle.julie.w@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:

Is there at present any metric by which previous scholarship attendees are judged on their dissemination of Wikimania experiences after the conference? The complaint being brought up is not only about awardees getting repeat scholarships, but failing to enrich their communities afterwards with what they learned / what it was like / who they met / what they will do now. With a limited number of scholarships available, it is true that the attendees are expected to share their good fortune with those who couldn't attend.

If nothing like that is in place, could it not be added? For example, a field on the application: "were you awarded a scholarship last year (and attended)?" "If yes, please describe (and provide links where possible) to the activities and discussions you organised with your community regarding your experience at Wikimania". If a sufficiently good and detailed response is not provided, the application can receive a lower score (or possibly be discarded...? I'm not au fait with the process).

Julia W

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Harry, I recall hearing that there was a push a year or two back to alter
the proportion of presentations at Wikimania so that there were fewer WMF
presentations and more community presentations. I don't know if that was a
one time event or if that's ongoing. I have never been to Wikimania, and
have no plans to go in the foreseeable future, but I watch what happens
with Wikimania partly because it's an expensive operation in terms of
financial cost and in terms of volunteer time. Also, the scholarship system
is a perennial point of friction.

Dariusz or Ellie, are there any thoughts at WMF about doing a full review
of the scholarship system and the value of Wikimania to the community? With
WMF spending so much money on Wikimania year after year, and volunteers
spending so much time on Wikimania year after year, I think that it would
make sense to do this type of review, which might be possible to
synchronize with WMF's strategy process. I am very interested in ensuring
that there are SMART goals being achieved with all of the money and time
that goes into Wikimania. At the same time, I think that the scholarship
system could be reviewed to consider the strategic priorities for
scholarships and how to align those priorities to SMART goals. I don't
envision reducing funding for Wikimania and scholarships, but I think that
some re-thinking and evaluation would be good to align funding with the WMF
strategic plan and with SMART goals.

Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Harry Mitchell <hjmwiki@gmail.com> wrote:

> Since you raise chapter scholarships, it would be nice to see some of the
> other big chapters (and to some extent the WMF) spending more on
> scholarships for rank-and-file Wikimedians rather than staff and board
> members. That might help with the perception that Wikimania is the same old
> faces year in, year out.
>
> Harry Mitchell
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I  have attended several  Wikimanias.
I  would have thought  that  with  the Wikipedias being voluntary contributed and managed projects, that  the conference shoud have a sharp focus on  attendance and presentations by  the communities.
However, this is not  the case. Presentation  time is, IMO, excessively  allocated to  various  speakers from the salaried staff.
This has been brought  up  on several  occasions.
In some instances, some presentations have had almost  duplicate  content.
Many  Foundations take on  a promotional aspect  of the WMF’s work.
The credit  for  the entire movement  should go  to  the community volunteers.

Kudpung

> On 01, Jun2018, at 08:31, Pine W <wiki.pine@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Harry, I recall hearing that there was a push a year or two back to alter the proportion of presentations at Wikimania so that there were fewer WMF presentations and more community presentations. I don't know if that was a one time event or if that's ongoing. I have never been to Wikimania, and have no plans to go in the foreseeable future, but I watch what happens with Wikimania partly because it's an expensive operation in terms of financial cost and in terms of volunteer time. Also, the scholarship system is a perennial point of friction.
>
> Dariusz or Ellie, are there any thoughts at WMF about doing a full review of the scholarship system and the value of Wikimania to the community? With WMF spending so much money on Wikimania year after year, and volunteers spending so much time on Wikimania year after year, I think that it would make sense to do this type of review, which might be possible to synchronize with WMF's strategy process. I am very interested in ensuring that there are SMART goals being achieved with all of the money and time that goes into Wikimania. At the same time, I think that the scholarship system could be reviewed to consider the strategic priorities for scholarships and how to align those priorities to SMART goals. I don't envision reducing funding for Wikimania and scholarships, but I think that some re-thinking and evaluation would be good to align funding with the WMF strategic plan and with SMART goals.
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine> )
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> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Harry Mitchell <hjmwiki@gmail.com <mailto:hjmwiki@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Since you raise chapter scholarships, it would be nice to see some of the other big chapters (and to some extent the WMF) spending more on scholarships for rank-and-file Wikimedians rather than staff and board members. That might help with the perception that Wikimania is the same old faces year in, year out.
>
> Harry Mitchell
> http://enwp.org/User:HJ <http://enwp.org/User:HJ>
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