On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 1:04 PM CS <cs@edubkk.org> wrote:
I concede your points, but people who don't want to be photographed at an event which of its very nature is much photographed, just need to be aware of that and stay out of range of the viewfinder. That is not a Herculean task._______________________________________________KudpungOn 6 Aug 2018, at 13:45, Kevin Payravi <kevinpayravi@gmail.com> wrote:Indeed. Participants don't get the "no photo" lanyards because they are embarrassed to be part of the movement. There are real and important reasons participants desire not to be photographed. Some come from countries where their participation on the movement is cause enough for arrest. Others simply want to protect their identity online, whether it is because they are a minor (minors do attend Wikimania), have cause to be concerned for the privacy (prior harassment, stalking, etc.), or simply value their privacy (which is valid enough reason by itself).As a global and inclusive movement, we work hard to accommodate all participants and this is all part of meeting that goal. Naturally these participants should avoid getting in the view of session recordings and whatnot, but being concious of who is photographed isn't a Herculean task and is a small ask to make to ensure a more welcoming, privacy-conscious event.--Kevin PayraviSuperHamster @ en.wikiOn Mon, Aug 6, 2018, 1:38 AM effe iets anders <effeietsanders@gmail.com> wrote:This is going wildly of topic. But...The decency?I don't think i would agree with your characterization that people who don't like to give a carte blanche to everyone to publish (sometimes not very elegant) photos of them should treat themselves as second rank participants.Especially in the context of a discussion around a friendly space policy, i am of the opinion that this would be a dangerous direction.Lodewijk_______________________________________________On Sun, Aug 5, 2018, 23:24 cs <cs@edubkk.org> wrote:In which case, those people should have the decency to not present themselves anywhere where a photo shoot or video recording is very likely to take place. Or politely take space at the back of the room and wear a face mask. Personally, I don’t see why anyone should be embarrassed at being part of a benevolent movement such as Wikipedia - have they something disastrous to hide? In which case, perhaps they better not go to Wikimania at all, and if they are scholarship recipients, give their place over to someone else._______________________________________________KudpungOn 06, Aug2018, at 10:18, Gnangarra <gnangarra@gmail.com> wrote:I was disappointed at the last Wikimania(london 2014) I went to with the number of people wearing dont take my photo stickers taking up positions at the front of the room or near speakers that made it hard to get images of the room and record the event._______________________________________________On 6 August 2018 at 11:11, cs <cs@edubkk.org> wrote:I’ve been to a great many international conferences in my career - but not so many since I retired. I can’t recall people wearing ‘Don’t touch me’, ‘Don’t photo me’, ‘Don’t come near me’, ‘Don’t talk to me’ badges. Do they do it nowadays already?We’ll porbably never know the details of the incident that sparked all this off but do I think it is getting out of proportion.KudpungOn 04, Aug2018, at 02:07, Pine W <wiki.pine@gmail.com> wrote:_______________________________________________Thanks, James. I think that "clarifying the distinction between friendly spaces situations and Trust & Safety issues" is a good idea.A specific suggestion that was made earlier in this thread which sounded like a good idea to me was to have an indicator, somewhat like we currently do for "Photos OK" or "Photos not OK", for "friendly touch OK" or "friendly touch not OK".I would also like to see the upcoming review of the relevant policies include discussions of who should be responsible for them (I'm confused about why WMF is in charge of these issues at events instead of the local organizers) and the level of transparency regarding reports and investigations.Thanks for your attention to these issues.
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