As has in previous years been suggested if we
want Wikimania to be truly
inclusive and encourage more people to attend then the WMF should just
extend the fundraising by a week and use that to subsidise the event making
it more accessible to everyone. 1,000 particiants at 250€ is just an
extra 250,000€ to collect, collecting enough to allow 200 scholarships
would enable greater participation from more communities.
On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 at 03:16, Mykola Kozlenko <mycola-k(a)ukr.net> wrote:
In 2015, 2017 and 2018 we had Wikimanias in
really upscale hotels. I can
perfectly understand why renting conference rooms and arranging catering
for all participants in a Sheraton or a Hilton is expensive. For instance,
Montréal experience in 2017 was pretty much worse 233 USD indeed given that
we were in a centrally-located Sheraton.
This year we are having a Wikimania on a university campus. Yes,
Stockholm is an expensive city, but Montréal is not really cheap either. I
can't really understand how a university campus in Stockholm is more than
50% more expensive than a Sheraton in Montréal.
I don't say I want these costs unbundled, I am happy to pay for the full
experience, but with a price tag that high I would really like to know
where all this money will go.
Best regards,
Mykola (NickK)
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On 01/06/2019 19:44, effe iets anders wrote:
You're claiming that this year is a higher
rate than usual, I don't
think this is actually true. Some context:
- 2016: 500 euro, but this included accommodation and full board
- 2017: 315 CAD (~233 USD)
- 2018: 275 USD
2016 is indeed when it first went up, but even then the 500€ value
was
fairly consistent with how much one could expect the whole thing to cost
when including fairly decent food and accommodation. What was concerning
was that then the cost stayed relatively high, without any of the
included stuff - if the 250€ is only the registration price, there's not
much to decouple. For instance, is there any food to not include? Lunch
being included has pretty much always been standard, for good reason,
and we're not doing breakfast and dinner for everyone in the first
place, are we? (As I recall, 2015 did include dinner, though, which may
indicate part of why it was also more expensive.) And even in terms of
fanciness, I'm not sure how much value that has, or if they even have
been meaningfully more so than they used to be. Comparing to the
Wikiconference USA/NA events I attended some of the same years (I don't
think any were over $50, definitely not more than $100), the Wikimanias
were mostly just... bigger. Higher volume.
For reference, prior wikimanias cost the following for Wikimedians:
2015: $952014: £50.002013: $452012: $352011: $452010: 30-40€2009: $452008: $452007:
$40-602006: $902005 I can't find, but it was the first and thus organised a bit
differently
So what happened? How is 250€ now not a lot of money? The first
Wikimania I attended was in 2012 and my entire budget was $500, which
was basically my holiday budget for the year. I was a student from a
poor background, and a lot of our contributors are students. Quite a few
of our contributors aren't exactly upper class, or from countries with
great conversion rates. Should we really be requiring them to get
special support now to even register for the main event for what is
supposed to be a world-wide, inclusive movement?
250€ is a quite a lot of money. Other things to attend may still cost
around the same or more, but if we also need to spend it on those
things, we're not going to have that money left to spend on the
registration as well.
-I
https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Registrationhttps://www.event…
(and the same page
on other
years)https://wikimania2006.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Registration&am…
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