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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: IRC public meeting (James Hare)
   2. Re: IRC public meeting (Philippe Beaudette)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 00:07:52 -0400
From: James Hare <messedrocker@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] IRC public meeting
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Wikimania unconference session on Wikimania bid reform, anyone? :D

James Hare

On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 12:00 AM, Deryck Chan <deryckchan@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hence the suggestion that this shall be the last time Wikimania bids happen
> this way. Next year, not just the way of organising synchronous meetings,
> but the entire method of choosing a location and organising team should be
> changed.
>
> IRC isn't the only thing that's become a bit too retro.
>
> Deryck
>
> On Apr 15, 2012 8:39 AM, "Thomas Goldammer" <thogol@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi.
>> Which alternative method would that be? Actually, I think two IRC
>> meetings at the edge of the day, even if it's 11 PM or 7 AM local
>> time, aren't too hard to come along with. If absolutely nobody from a
>> certain bidding team can make it to both of the meetings, one can
>> still arrange something else for them, but that is unlikely to happen.
>> Note that when the Wikimania actually takes place, 11 PM or 7 AM will
>> not be unusual times for being needed for organizing things, anyway...
>> But that's my personal opinion and I might be a bit strict with such
>> need for flexibility of the bidding teams. :)
>>
>> What one could do next time, however, is to have the two meetings at
>> completely different times, one more suitable for the Americas (like 8
>> PM UTC), one more for the opposite side of the world (Eastern Asia,
>> Australia etc) (like 8 AM UTC). Europe/Africa won't be a problem for
>> both.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Th.
>>
>> 2012/4/15 Craig Franklin <craig@halo-17.net>
>> >
>> > I know that I'm not bidding this year, so this may be none of my
>> > business,
>> > but we encountered a similar problem when we bid all the way back for
>> > 2009.
>> > ?Might I suggest that a "presentation model" which requires people from
>> > many
>> > timezones to be present at one time might no longer be a suitable method
>> > to
>> > judge entries? ?Especially with more bids coming from outside of Europe
>> > and
>> > North America, it seems to me that whatever timezone you pick will be
>> > extremely inconvenient for someone, and it might be a better use of the
>> > organisers' time to come up with an alternative method, rather than
>> > desperately trying to come up with a time that everyone can be present?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Craig Franklin
>> >
>> >
>> > On 8 April 2012 04:12, B?ria Lima <berialima@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The log is already on meta.
>> >>
>> >> You can find it at:
>> >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013/IRC_meeting_07-04-2012
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> _____
>> >>
>> >> B?ria Lima
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ?Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
>> >> livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 6 April 2012 06:11, Lodewijk <lodewijk@effeietsanders.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Unless there are other bidding teams with a strong preference that
>> >>> seems
>> >>> no problem to me. The default order will be alphabetical, but if there
>> >>> are
>> >>> no objections we will change that on the spot. We would appreciate it
>> >>> if one
>> >>> of your team members is there the whole session - to make sure that
>> >>> you can
>> >>> reply to questions that come up later on.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks for the effort,
>> >>>
>> >>> Lodewijk
>> >>>
>> >>> No dia 6 de Abril de 2012 10:22, Bennylin
>> >>> <bennylin.idwiki@hotmail.com>
>> >>> escreveu:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Dear jury members,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Since the Q&A session will be at 9 p.m. Indonesian time, and a
>> >>>> teammate
>> >>>> has family she needs to attend to, could we start as the first, or at
>> >>>> least
>> >>>> second team in the Q&A session?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ___________________
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Regards,
>> >>>> benny
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ________________________________
>> >>>> From: Lodewijk <lodewijk@effeietsanders.org>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> To: Wikimania general list (open subscription)
>> >>>> <wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 2:31 PM
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] IRC public meeting
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Way ahead of you there ;-) Added it on
>> >>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013_bids? : 90-120 minutes.
>> >>>> We
>> >>>> have 5 bids, so I think we will most likely need that time.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Lodewijk
>> >>>>
>> >>>> No dia 5 de Abril de 2012 05:47, Deryck Chan <deryckchan@gmail.com>
>> >>>> escreveu:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> How long is it expected to last?
>> >>>> On Apr 4, 2012 11:48 PM, "Manuel Schneider"
>> >>>> <manuel.schneider@wikimedia.ch> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> my calendar says:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Saturday, April 7th, 14:00 UTC
>> >>>>
>> >>>> /Manuel
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Am 04.04.2012 17:43, schrieb Lodewijk:
>> >>>> > Hi Deryck,
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > since nobody objected to the time, I will make the time final. My
>> >>>> > apologies
>> >>>> > for the delay.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Lodewijk
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > No dia 4 de Abril de 2012 17:42, Deryck Chan
>> >>>> > <deryckchan@gmail.com>escreveu:
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> Would any member of the jury be kind enough to confirm the time
>> >>>> >> (and
>> >>>> >> expected duration if possible) of the IRC public meeting this
>> >>>> >> Saturday?
>> >>>> >> Thanks.
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Regards
>> >>>> Manuel Schneider
>> >>>>
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 22:37:14 -0700
From: Philippe Beaudette <philippe@wikimedia.org>
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On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 9:05 PM, Craig Franklin <craig@halo-17.net> wrote:

> Perhaps we can think outside of the box, and have the bidding teams
> announce the time that they'll have the presentation, and then it's up to
> the jury to come along if they can make it ;-)

Wow, really? You want a bid scuttled because a few jurors got together and
decided to skip, say, Australia? :-)

That's a lot of power to put in someone's hands....

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