Hi,
One could also read that differently. But lets not go into that discussion
right now - it is not about whether WMUK is right or wrong to allocate such
amounts of money (if it were to make that decision at all, as stated it is
only a draft proposal by a working committee to the board and then we as
members still have a say about it), it is much rather about the future:
what kind of wikimania do we want? I explained my preference (primarily
volunteer run, lower expectations and less expensive - focus on the
community rather than the PR component) and others have explained that they
have (sometimes) other views such as móre professional, móre visitors and
móre fancyness. The London bidding team is clearly opposite to my personal
view of what a Wikimania would ideally look like. Lets not try to play it
on the jury of the 2013 wikimania (which I was in, by the way) but lets
have the general discussion about what we would like to see for 2014 and
further. Based on that, we can indeed try to draw conclusions.
Lodewijk
2012/8/26 WereSpielChequers <werespielchequers(a)gmail.com>
I agree that it would be wrong for chapter money to go
into Wikimania
bids, especially as some bid teams have access to resources that others
don't. However London lost the last bid against Hong Kong partly because
it was deemed not to have "solid support from the chapter". Considering how
much support there was from the chapter it would be difficult to see how
the UK chapter could give more solid support without supplying paid staff
time. So the logical response to the jury's decision
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2012-May/003491.html is
to budget for more solid support from the chapter.
If the Jury had said that both bids were very good , but for 2013 it was
really time for another Wikimania in the Far East then we'd be in a
different situation.
WSC
On 25 August 2012 20:32, James Hare <messedrocker(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Staffing is a very good thing to spend money
on—while executing the
conference. Spending $62,000 on staff for a bid would be worth the
investment if bidding for Wikimania were anything like bidding for the
Olympics, but it is not. The spirit of Wikimania is ultimately from its
volunteer leadership, and if the Wikimedia UK volunteers cannot muster that
spirit to run their own bid, they have no hope and no soul.
James
On Aug 25, 2012, at 3:28 PM, Itzik Edri wrote:
Sorry, it's undiplomatic to interfere with others budget plans - but I
just can't ignore how the future of Wikimania will look like if others will
follow UK plans to invest £40,000 only for the bid process (about 62,000$).
I wrote my last response on that few minutes ago:
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:2013_Activity_Plan#5.2_Wikiconference_2013
"Hire a production company for half of this cost. It's really waste of
donors money, for what we expect to be done by volunteers, or for a minimum
costs. If every one who going to bid for Wikimania will spent this amount
of money (and why them not? if UK can, why others not?), it's mean that for
4 places every year we are "spending" more than 260,000$ only for the
bid!!!. --217.132.1.140 19:22, 25 August 2012 (UTC)"
I really think the "Wikimania" groups need to speak about that. It's the
first time a group/chapter spending such amount of money for bid, and it's
open a door for next cities to do the same - with money which can uses to
invest in Wikimania itself.
Itzik
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