Lodeweik, 

I never mentioned nor hinted at second rank participants. If you think some are, that's your problem but don't misquote me. Thank you.

Kudpung

On 6 Aug 2018, at 14:17, Gnangarra <gnangarra@gmail.com> wrote:

The policy can not be expected to wholly and solely ensure the safety of attendees, likewise stickers arent going to be readily identifiable in all circumstances.  Then ask yourself the question what if someone who wears a dont photograph me lanyard is walking around photographing other people. There are more solutions to ensure a person isn't in a shot than preventing someone from taking the photograph. 

Placing yourself in a position to prevent others participating is an issue, I can understand and respect that not everyone comes from a society where they have a benevolent government who encourages the dissemination of free knowledge.   A safe space policy has to include practical considerations as part of that and we as end users need to also take a level of personal responsibility to ensure that everyone can be part of any event, which is why I raised the example.
 




On 6 August 2018 at 14:37, effe iets anders <effeietsanders@gmail.com> wrote:
This is going wildly of topic.  But... 
The decency? 

I don't think i would agree with your characterization that people who don't like to give a carte blanche to everyone to publish (sometimes not very elegant) photos of them should treat themselves as second rank participants. 

Especially in the context of a discussion around a friendly space policy, i am of the opinion that this would be a dangerous direction. 

Lodewijk

On Sun, Aug 5, 2018, 23:24 cs <cs@edubkk.org> wrote:
In  which  case, those people  should have the decency  to  not  present  themselves anywhere where a photo shoot or video  recording is very likely to take place. Or  politely  take space at  the back  of the room and wear a face mask. Personally, I  don’t  see why  anyone should be embarrassed at  being  part of a benevolent movement such  as  Wikipedia - have they  something  disastrous to  hide? In  which  case, perhaps they  better not  go  to  Wikimania at  all,  and if they  are scholarship  recipients, give their place over to  someone else.

Kudpung

On 06, Aug2018, at 10:18, Gnangarra <gnangarra@gmail.com> wrote:

I was disappointed at the last Wikimania(london 2014) I went to with the number of people wearing dont take my photo stickers taking up positions at the front of the room or near speakers that made it hard to get images of the room and record the event.

On 6 August 2018 at 11:11, cs <cs@edubkk.org> wrote:
I’ve been to  a great  many  international  conferences in  my  career -  but  not  so many  since I  retired. I  can’t  recall  people wearing  ‘Don’t  touch me’,  ‘Don’t  photo me’, ‘Don’t  come near me’, ‘Don’t  talk  to  me’ badges. Do  they  do  it  nowadays already?

We’ll  porbably  never know the details of the incident  that  sparked all  this off but do I  think  it is getting  out  of proportion.

Kudpung

On 04, Aug2018, at 02:07, Pine W <wiki.pine@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks, James. I think that "clarifying the distinction between friendly spaces situations and Trust & Safety issues" is a good idea.

A specific suggestion that was made earlier in this thread which sounded like a good idea to me was to have an indicator, somewhat like we currently do for "Photos OK" or "Photos not OK", for "friendly touch OK" or "friendly touch not OK".

I would also like to see the upcoming review of the relevant policies include discussions of who should be responsible for them (I'm confused about why WMF is in charge of these issues at events instead of the local organizers) and the level of transparency regarding reports and investigations.

Thanks for your attention to these issues.


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