Hi all,
After a last minute rescue last year, it looks like we're facing Monumental https://maps.wikilovesmonuments.org/ being unsupported going into WLM 2023.
Ireland has exclusively used Monumental since 2017, when Pawel migrated our lists into Wikidata using the WLM numbers to draw out the eligible sites in Ireland. At this point, we need a simple alternative - maybe Wikidata generated lists on Commons? If anyone can give me some instruction or ideas on how to go about this I would be hugely grateful (I've never created lists from Listeria etc), as otherwise it leaves Ireland without anything for users to find monuments or upload them into the relevant categories.
Thanks! Rebecca
Hi Rebecca,
When I organized WLM Portugal back in 2019, the local contest had been stale since 2011, with non-working and very outdated databases. I decided not to use Monumental, which already was kind of anacronic and very bureaucratic to use, and instead exported all the items both from the former databases and from new/updated databases and other monument & listing sources into Wikidata, using OpenRefine. Then I've built the monument lists using Listeria (example: https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2019/Portu... ) The list allows for direct upload to Commons, even using some useful default params, like https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/special:uploadWizard?campaign=wlm-pt&... already filling up a default description, placing the monument ID and the base category for the monument, among other options and aditional settings you can use like tracking categories, caption, etc.
For the photo ID, we created {{MonumentIDPortugal|Q56072118}}, which is a version of the very useful {{MonumentID}} developed by Mike Peel, which uses the wikidata qid (acting as Monument ID) to fill an infobox with some useful information about the monument depicted. You can see it in use here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Casa_das_Mudas,_Calheta,_Madeira_-_I...
Using qid as the monument ID has the wonderful and very useful advantage of freeing it from any official listing ids, which often do not exist at all for the listed monuments or are otherwise problematic. Just use the qid as the Monument ID in Wikidata, and you get total freedom on the identification of your listings.
It may look a bit challenging at first look, but the import, which is the most difficult and time consuming part, is kind of easy to do with OpenRefine. For the listing you can steal and adapt the Listeria code from the example above. Creating {{MonumentIDIreland}} should be very easy and straightforward, and there you are. This has the huge advantage of after the initial effort, reducing maintenance to almost negligible levels, which actually end up getting permanent maintenance, update and improvement from the Wikidata community itself.
You can also build or adapt other stuff, like monument maps based on Wikidata using the geolocalization, etc., and many other WLM resources already work on or include Wikidata monument IDs.
It has been months since I last touched OpenRefine, but there are some very good tutorials in video, including a number of them by Sandra Fauconnier.
Hope this helps, Paulo
Rebecca O'Neill rebeccanineil@gmail.com escreveu no dia quarta, 23/08/2023 à(s) 15:26:
Hi all,
After a last minute rescue last year, it looks like we're facing Monumental https://maps.wikilovesmonuments.org/ being unsupported going into WLM 2023.
Ireland has exclusively used Monumental since 2017, when Pawel migrated our lists into Wikidata using the WLM numbers to draw out the eligible sites in Ireland. At this point, we need a simple alternative - maybe Wikidata generated lists on Commons? If anyone can give me some instruction or ideas on how to go about this I would be hugely grateful (I've never created lists from Listeria etc), as otherwise it leaves Ireland without anything for users to find monuments or upload them into the relevant categories.
Thanks! Rebecca
-- Project Coordinator Wikimedia Community Ireland http://wikimedia.ie/: wikimediaireland@gmail.com PhD in Digital Media Secretary of the National Committee for Commemorative Plaques in Science and Technology http://www.askaboutireland.ie/reading-room/life-society/science-technology/irish-scientists/ Co-host of *The World According to Wikipedia https://headstuffpodcasts.com/show/the-world-according-to-wikipedia* podcast She/Her _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list To unsubscribe send an email to wikilovesmonuments-leave@lists.wikimedia.org http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
I understand you already have the Ireland listings in Wikidata, so it should be really quick to do the rest. See the Listeria code used for the Madeira example, you can adapt it either by hand or with the help of ChatGPT. Please note that in its current version, you are only able to do a single list of groups, so if you need a more complex organization, namely subgroups, you need to combine the different Listeria queries for each group list.
Paulo
Paulo Santos Perneta paulosperneta@gmail.com escreveu no dia quarta, 23/08/2023 à(s) 17:01:
Hi Rebecca,
When I organized WLM Portugal back in 2019, the local contest had been stale since 2011, with non-working and very outdated databases. I decided not to use Monumental, which already was kind of anacronic and very bureaucratic to use, and instead exported all the items both from the former databases and from new/updated databases and other monument & listing sources into Wikidata, using OpenRefine. Then I've built the monument lists using Listeria (example: https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2019/Portu... ) The list allows for direct upload to Commons, even using some useful default params, like https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/special:uploadWizard?campaign=wlm-pt&... already filling up a default description, placing the monument ID and the base category for the monument, among other options and aditional settings you can use like tracking categories, caption, etc.
For the photo ID, we created {{MonumentIDPortugal|Q56072118}}, which is a version of the very useful {{MonumentID}} developed by Mike Peel, which uses the wikidata qid (acting as Monument ID) to fill an infobox with some useful information about the monument depicted. You can see it in use here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Casa_das_Mudas,_Calheta,_Madeira_-_I...
Using qid as the monument ID has the wonderful and very useful advantage of freeing it from any official listing ids, which often do not exist at all for the listed monuments or are otherwise problematic. Just use the qid as the Monument ID in Wikidata, and you get total freedom on the identification of your listings.
It may look a bit challenging at first look, but the import, which is the most difficult and time consuming part, is kind of easy to do with OpenRefine. For the listing you can steal and adapt the Listeria code from the example above. Creating {{MonumentIDIreland}} should be very easy and straightforward, and there you are. This has the huge advantage of after the initial effort, reducing maintenance to almost negligible levels, which actually end up getting permanent maintenance, update and improvement from the Wikidata community itself.
You can also build or adapt other stuff, like monument maps based on Wikidata using the geolocalization, etc., and many other WLM resources already work on or include Wikidata monument IDs.
It has been months since I last touched OpenRefine, but there are some very good tutorials in video, including a number of them by Sandra Fauconnier.
Hope this helps, Paulo
Rebecca O'Neill rebeccanineil@gmail.com escreveu no dia quarta, 23/08/2023 à(s) 15:26:
Hi all,
After a last minute rescue last year, it looks like we're facing Monumental https://maps.wikilovesmonuments.org/ being unsupported going into WLM 2023.
Ireland has exclusively used Monumental since 2017, when Pawel migrated our lists into Wikidata using the WLM numbers to draw out the eligible sites in Ireland. At this point, we need a simple alternative - maybe Wikidata generated lists on Commons? If anyone can give me some instruction or ideas on how to go about this I would be hugely grateful (I've never created lists from Listeria etc), as otherwise it leaves Ireland without anything for users to find monuments or upload them into the relevant categories.
Thanks! Rebecca
-- Project Coordinator Wikimedia Community Ireland http://wikimedia.ie/: wikimediaireland@gmail.com PhD in Digital Media Secretary of the National Committee for Commemorative Plaques in Science and Technology http://www.askaboutireland.ie/reading-room/life-society/science-technology/irish-scientists/ Co-host of *The World According to Wikipedia https://headstuffpodcasts.com/show/the-world-according-to-wikipedia* podcast She/Her _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list To unsubscribe send an email to wikilovesmonuments-leave@lists.wikimedia.org http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Hey Rebecca and folks! Just letting folks know that I just deployed the 2023 update to https://maps.wikilovesmonuments.org/ , per the GitHub issue opened this morning: https://github.com/hatnote/monumental-wlm/issues/54 .
By all means, feel free to continue exploring and developing alternatives. I'm not the original developer of Monumental, and the current version of Monumental has been in maintenance-only mode for a few years now. Without a volunteer stepping up, Monumental is likely to eventually break beyond what I'm able to fix. If you happen to know someone, feel free to intro!
But for 2023, at least, the app lives on :) Happy WLM'ing!
Mahmoud
On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 9:10 AM Paulo Santos Perneta < paulosperneta@gmail.com> wrote:
I understand you already have the Ireland listings in Wikidata, so it should be really quick to do the rest. See the Listeria code used for the Madeira example, you can adapt it either by hand or with the help of ChatGPT. Please note that in its current version, you are only able to do a single list of groups, so if you need a more complex organization, namely subgroups, you need to combine the different Listeria queries for each group list.
Paulo
Paulo Santos Perneta paulosperneta@gmail.com escreveu no dia quarta, 23/08/2023 à(s) 17:01:
Hi Rebecca,
When I organized WLM Portugal back in 2019, the local contest had been stale since 2011, with non-working and very outdated databases. I decided not to use Monumental, which already was kind of anacronic and very bureaucratic to use, and instead exported all the items both from the former databases and from new/updated databases and other monument & listing sources into Wikidata, using OpenRefine. Then I've built the monument lists using Listeria (example: https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2019/Portu... ) The list allows for direct upload to Commons, even using some useful default params, like https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/special:uploadWizard?campaign=wlm-pt&... already filling up a default description, placing the monument ID and the base category for the monument, among other options and aditional settings you can use like tracking categories, caption, etc.
For the photo ID, we created {{MonumentIDPortugal|Q56072118}}, which is a version of the very useful {{MonumentID}} developed by Mike Peel, which uses the wikidata qid (acting as Monument ID) to fill an infobox with some useful information about the monument depicted. You can see it in use here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Casa_das_Mudas,_Calheta,_Madeira_-_I...
Using qid as the monument ID has the wonderful and very useful advantage of freeing it from any official listing ids, which often do not exist at all for the listed monuments or are otherwise problematic. Just use the qid as the Monument ID in Wikidata, and you get total freedom on the identification of your listings.
It may look a bit challenging at first look, but the import, which is the most difficult and time consuming part, is kind of easy to do with OpenRefine. For the listing you can steal and adapt the Listeria code from the example above. Creating {{MonumentIDIreland}} should be very easy and straightforward, and there you are. This has the huge advantage of after the initial effort, reducing maintenance to almost negligible levels, which actually end up getting permanent maintenance, update and improvement from the Wikidata community itself.
You can also build or adapt other stuff, like monument maps based on Wikidata using the geolocalization, etc., and many other WLM resources already work on or include Wikidata monument IDs.
It has been months since I last touched OpenRefine, but there are some very good tutorials in video, including a number of them by Sandra Fauconnier.
Hope this helps, Paulo
Rebecca O'Neill rebeccanineil@gmail.com escreveu no dia quarta, 23/08/2023 à(s) 15:26:
Hi all,
After a last minute rescue last year, it looks like we're facing Monumental https://maps.wikilovesmonuments.org/ being unsupported going into WLM 2023.
Ireland has exclusively used Monumental since 2017, when Pawel migrated our lists into Wikidata using the WLM numbers to draw out the eligible sites in Ireland. At this point, we need a simple alternative - maybe Wikidata generated lists on Commons? If anyone can give me some instruction or ideas on how to go about this I would be hugely grateful (I've never created lists from Listeria etc), as otherwise it leaves Ireland without anything for users to find monuments or upload them into the relevant categories.
Thanks! Rebecca
-- Project Coordinator Wikimedia Community Ireland http://wikimedia.ie/: wikimediaireland@gmail.com PhD in Digital Media Secretary of the National Committee for Commemorative Plaques in Science and Technology http://www.askaboutireland.ie/reading-room/life-society/science-technology/irish-scientists/ Co-host of *The World According to Wikipedia https://headstuffpodcasts.com/show/the-world-according-to-wikipedia* podcast She/Her _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list To unsubscribe send an email to wikilovesmonuments-leave@lists.wikimedia.org http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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Dear all,
Huge thanks to everyone who reached out to me. I'm delighted that Mahmoud was able to update Monumental this year, but I will investigate the alternatives that have been suggested to me ahead of the competition in 2024.
Thanks again! Rebecca
On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 at 21:09, Mahmoud Hashemi mahmoud@hatnote.com wrote:
Hey Rebecca and folks! Just letting folks know that I just deployed the 2023 update to https://maps.wikilovesmonuments.org/ , per the GitHub issue opened this morning: https://github.com/hatnote/monumental-wlm/issues/54 .
By all means, feel free to continue exploring and developing alternatives. I'm not the original developer of Monumental, and the current version of Monumental has been in maintenance-only mode for a few years now. Without a volunteer stepping up, Monumental is likely to eventually break beyond what I'm able to fix. If you happen to know someone, feel free to intro!
But for 2023, at least, the app lives on :) Happy WLM'ing!
Mahmoud
On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 9:10 AM Paulo Santos Perneta < paulosperneta@gmail.com> wrote:
I understand you already have the Ireland listings in Wikidata, so it should be really quick to do the rest. See the Listeria code used for the Madeira example, you can adapt it either by hand or with the help of ChatGPT. Please note that in its current version, you are only able to do a single list of groups, so if you need a more complex organization, namely subgroups, you need to combine the different Listeria queries for each group list.
Paulo
Paulo Santos Perneta paulosperneta@gmail.com escreveu no dia quarta, 23/08/2023 à(s) 17:01:
Hi Rebecca,
When I organized WLM Portugal back in 2019, the local contest had been stale since 2011, with non-working and very outdated databases. I decided not to use Monumental, which already was kind of anacronic and very bureaucratic to use, and instead exported all the items both from the former databases and from new/updated databases and other monument & listing sources into Wikidata, using OpenRefine. Then I've built the monument lists using Listeria (example: https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2019/Portu... ) The list allows for direct upload to Commons, even using some useful default params, like https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/special:uploadWizard?campaign=wlm-pt&... already filling up a default description, placing the monument ID and the base category for the monument, among other options and aditional settings you can use like tracking categories, caption, etc.
For the photo ID, we created {{MonumentIDPortugal|Q56072118}}, which is a version of the very useful {{MonumentID}} developed by Mike Peel, which uses the wikidata qid (acting as Monument ID) to fill an infobox with some useful information about the monument depicted. You can see it in use here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Casa_das_Mudas,_Calheta,_Madeira_-_I...
Using qid as the monument ID has the wonderful and very useful advantage of freeing it from any official listing ids, which often do not exist at all for the listed monuments or are otherwise problematic. Just use the qid as the Monument ID in Wikidata, and you get total freedom on the identification of your listings.
It may look a bit challenging at first look, but the import, which is the most difficult and time consuming part, is kind of easy to do with OpenRefine. For the listing you can steal and adapt the Listeria code from the example above. Creating {{MonumentIDIreland}} should be very easy and straightforward, and there you are. This has the huge advantage of after the initial effort, reducing maintenance to almost negligible levels, which actually end up getting permanent maintenance, update and improvement from the Wikidata community itself.
You can also build or adapt other stuff, like monument maps based on Wikidata using the geolocalization, etc., and many other WLM resources already work on or include Wikidata monument IDs.
It has been months since I last touched OpenRefine, but there are some very good tutorials in video, including a number of them by Sandra Fauconnier.
Hope this helps, Paulo
Rebecca O'Neill rebeccanineil@gmail.com escreveu no dia quarta, 23/08/2023 à(s) 15:26:
Hi all,
After a last minute rescue last year, it looks like we're facing Monumental https://maps.wikilovesmonuments.org/ being unsupported going into WLM 2023.
Ireland has exclusively used Monumental since 2017, when Pawel migrated our lists into Wikidata using the WLM numbers to draw out the eligible sites in Ireland. At this point, we need a simple alternative - maybe Wikidata generated lists on Commons? If anyone can give me some instruction or ideas on how to go about this I would be hugely grateful (I've never created lists from Listeria etc), as otherwise it leaves Ireland without anything for users to find monuments or upload them into the relevant categories.
Thanks! Rebecca
-- Project Coordinator Wikimedia Community Ireland http://wikimedia.ie/ : wikimediaireland@gmail.com PhD in Digital Media Secretary of the National Committee for Commemorative Plaques in Science and Technology http://www.askaboutireland.ie/reading-room/life-society/science-technology/irish-scientists/ Co-host of *The World According to Wikipedia https://headstuffpodcasts.com/show/the-world-according-to-wikipedia* podcast She/Her _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list To unsubscribe send an email to wikilovesmonuments-leave@lists.wikimedia.org http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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