I don't know if it's the best idea to just take the 10 or 20 best from all countries, or use other ways as well to get a shortlist. In line with the dutch contest we should think about what with like 50 or 100.000 pictures (or maybe even a higher guess) as the top guess. going to 12.000 pictures is a lot and you will miss some pretty good pictures. going throught all countries is surely impossible i think. Maybe other people outside of jurys as well might be an idea, and for the rest maybe 20 pictures picked by the country juries. Althought it seems weird to me if a picture finished fifth in a country and finishes first in europe. Mvg, Bas take part from European WLM competition? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu

I don't know if it's the best idea to just take the 10 or 20 best from

all countries, or use other ways as well to get a shortlist.

In line with the dutch contest we should think about what with like 50

or 100.000 pictures (or maybe even a higher guess) as the top guess.

going to 12.000 pictures is a lot and you will miss some pretty good

pictures. going throught all countries is surely impossible i think.

Maybe other people outside of jurys as well might be an idea, and for

the rest maybe 20 pictures picked by the country juries. Althought it

seems weird to me if a picture finished fifth in a country and finishes

first in europe.

Mvg,

Bas

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> how many photos from each country will take part from European WLM

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Hi everyone, All images eligible for a national competition are eligible for the European competition. How the European jury will implement this is up to them. In practice they will probably choose from the national winning images. To worry about the jury is on my list to do somewhere in August btw ;-) Maarten Op 5-4-2011 18:27, Santiago Navarro Sanz schreef: Maybe 3 from each country? A number between 1 and 5 could be appropiated. Millars ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 17:14:46 +0100 From: susana.morais(a)wikimedia.pt To: wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] how many photos from each country will take part from European WLM I thought there would be only one picture submited to the european contest, from each country. But Nuno, what do you mean: 5 winners in a country, but 10 submissions to the european contest? 2011/4/5 Nuno Tavares <nuno.tavares(a)wikimedia.pt> I think it makes sense to "reward" only, let's say, the 5 top winners (in whatever categories)... but consider 10 submissions to the European Juri (to categories that match). -- Nuno Tavares Wikimedia Portugal http://www.wikimedia.pt/ Bas vb escreveu: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing listWikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonumentshttp://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu

Well, Maarten, I rather do it sooner, as we (all) still have to find a national juri, and convince them to participate. And since the challenge is in September, the sooner, the better ;) I predict that things will be easier for this task, if we already have a draft of both national and general rules. In the Commons page it is said: « The European contest will be jury based competition for the best photo of a monument where a European jury will select winners from nominees taken from the winners of the national quality contests. » Like I said, it seems to me that "now" is a good moment to "worry" about this :-) -- Nuno Tavares Wikimedia Portugal http://www.wikimedia.pt/ Maarten Dammers escreveu: appropiated. winners guess. good think. WLM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu

Well then, that says it all. The winners from each contest are eligible for the european contest. But since each country has its own rules, and the number of winners (from different categories) depends on those rules, it think Nuno has the best solution. Send 5 (i would go with only 5) from each category. Even if there are only 3 official local winners with a local prize, the 5 best will be considered to go to the european contest. Susana 2011/4/5 Nuno Tavares <nuno.tavares(a)wikimedia.pt> _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu

Hoi. Is there a "Topics/Agenda" wiki page for the May workshop? -- Raul Kern 2011/4/5 Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>rg>: _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu

Would the third ending up higher than the second be a problem too, then? (to be clear: I wouldn't have a problem with either situation, since like Nuno says, there are many factors. Even the exact criteria used by the jury will differ on European level compared to for example the Portuguese jury). Lodewijk 2011/4/6 Susana Morais <susana.morais(a)wikimedia.pt>

And there are other way to see: If a image don't win the local competition, they could still be motivate to be the European winner. A 1st place can't be mad to not win twice, and a 2nd place would became really happy if he win ;) _____ /Béria Lima/ Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt> (351) 963 953 042 /Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer./ 2011/4/6 Susana Morais &lt;susana.morais(a)wikimedia.pt <mailto:susana.morais@wikimedia.pt>> I think that case would not be so problematic, in my opinion (the 1st place is the "real" winner). But like you say, the criteria used can be different, and if we make that clear from the beginning, in the rules, etc., people will have to accept that there would be, in fact, 2 different competitions, with different results. Susana 2011/4/6 Lodewijk &lt;lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org <mailto:lodewijk@effeietsanders.org>> Would the third ending up higher than the second be a problem too, then? (to be clear: I wouldn't have a problem with either situation, since like Nuno says, there are many factors. Even the exact criteria used by the jury will differ on European level compared to for example the Portuguese jury). Lodewijk 2011/4/6 Susana Morais &lt;susana.morais(a)wikimedia.pt <mailto:susana.morais@wikimedia.pt>> The 2nd of a country ending up higher than the 1st in the European Competition is in fact a problem. Maybe there could be 2 different groups. Maybe the european jury could decide between the 1st ones from each country (resulting in a overall winner - for each category), and they could also decide between the rest (2nd and 5th place in each category, for example). Susana 2011/4/6 Raul Kern &lt;raunator(a)gmail.com <mailto:raunator@gmail.com>> Hoi. Is there a "Topics/Agenda" wiki page for the May workshop? -- Raul Kern 2011/4/5 Lodewijk &lt;lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org <mailto:lodewijk@effeietsanders.org>>: decide on in the May discussions are of course _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu