Hi Sandra, I started testing it and I think I'm missing something quite basic. If I go to https://test-commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sheikh-Lotf-Allah_mosque_wall_… , I don't see any "Structured data" tab which I would expect to see based on the instructions [1]. On the other hand, for a file such as https://test-commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Head_of_calico_cat_with_open_e… I do see the tab. What am I doing wrong?

Also, while I understand the basics of Wikibase and Wikidata, I'm slightly lost as where we are with the different components of SDC with regards to Commons and/or Wiki Loves Monuments. For example, * are we at a place that we're ready to represent a Commons page such as https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Cloisters_at_Gloucester_Cathedr… via Wikibase completely? or are there components missing? If they are missing, what are those?

* What do you mean when you say we can organize the WLM campaigns on Commons with structured data? By "organize" are you referring to the landing page of the campaigns? For example, should I assume that all the info that we show in the landing page of Iran's contest at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2018_in_Iran can be represented by structured data?

On my end, both as an international WLM organizer and a local organizer, I can say that I can benefit from a virtual online meeting where we can have some of these types of questions answered directly. While I appreciate the documentation, amending it with a virtual meeting may be necessary as there are a lot of nuances both on your end and our end, and understanding these nuances will have impact on our feedback on features such as uploadwizard.

On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 3:55 AM Sandra Fauconnier <sfauconnier(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: year. With SDC, Wikimedians can add data from Wikidata directly to files on Wikimedia Commons. describe files on Commons in many languages), and machine-readable data with better APIs, that offer more advanced possibilities to build applications like Monumental - https://tools.wmflabs.org/monumental/ Loves... (Monuments, Earth, Africa, Art, Love, ...) campaigns on Wikimedia Commons with structured data. (This is entirely optional, but maybe some of you are already keen to do this, especially if you already have monument or other data in Wikidata!) Wikimedia Commons' UploadWizard to support the campaigns that want to be powered by Structured Data 'new style'. structured data features you want to see in UploadWizard, and we are now organizing a consultation about this over the next two weeks. We're collecting this first round of input until April 17. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Fee… communities: https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM -- User: LilyOfTheWest

Hi Sandra, Your descriptions were helpful and addressed my questions/confusions. Regarding the meeting: let's wait to hear from at least a few other people if they find it useful as well. If there are at least a few of us, it's good to have one and we can discuss the format. Otherwise, I'll drop that suggestion. Thanks, Lily

Hello Lily! Responding to your questions inline below: On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 10:49 PM Lily &lt;lilyofthewest.wikimedia(a)gmail.com <mailto:lilyofthewest.wikimedia@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Sandra, I started testing it and I think I'm missing something quite basic. If I go to https://test-commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sheikh-Lotf-Allah_mosque_wall_… , I don't see any "Structured data" tab which I would expect to see based on the instructions [1]. On the other hand, for a file such as https://test-commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Head_of_calico_cat_with_open_e… I do see the tab. What am I doing wrong? This is an issue with test-commons, not related to Structured Data at all, and apparently difficult to fix. Not all files you find will have a "Structured data" tab. See also the list of known issues at the bottom of the consultation page - it also says that you can't see many images (equally an issue with test-commons and unrelated to Structured data) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Fee… Also, while I understand the basics of Wikibase and Wikidata, I'm slightly lost as where we are with the different components of SDC with regards to Commons and/or Wiki Loves Monuments. For example, * are we at a place that we're ready to represent a Commons page such as https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Cloisters_at_Gloucester_Cathedr… via Wikibase completely? or are there components missing? If they are missing, what are those? First, there's a technical component to this. At this moment, apart from adding a multilingual caption, you can't add any structured data to a file on Commons yet. In a few weeks, if all goes well and no big technical hurdles occur, you will be able to add 'Depicts' statements to files on Wikimedia Commons. And soon after that, you will also be able to add other Wikidata statements too. The technical timeline is explained here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Development#Upco… Then there's a social component. Just like happened with Wikidata, it is up to the community to define the data model: i.e. exactly *how* files on Wikimedia Commons must be described. As soon as Wikidata became available, the community started to propose properties and started to figure out how exactly you should describe a building, painting, species, human... on Wikidata. The same process must still happen on Wikimedia Commons too. There is already some brainstorming here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Properties_table It would be very valuable if people from the Wiki Loves... communities would be active in this process as well, to make sure that photos of heritage are well described on Commons! * What do you mean when you say we can organize the WLM campaigns on Commons with structured data? By "organize" are you referring to the landing page of the campaigns? For example, should I assume that all the info that we show in the landing page of Iran's contest at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2018_in_Iran can be represented by structured data? Sorry for the lack of clarity here! No, this does *not* apply to landing pages. Structured data only applies to the files on Wikimedia Commons - the photos (and sometimes videos) that participants upload. So Structured data will play a role at the moment when participants upload their images, and when you want to organize and describe these images better. Landing pages will stay wikitext pages. On my end, both as an international WLM organizer and a local organizer, I can say that I can benefit from a virtual online meeting where we can have some of these types of questions answered directly. While I appreciate the documentation, amending it with a virtual meeting may be necessary as there are a lot of nuances both on your end and our end, and understanding these nuances will have impact on our feedback on features such as uploadwizard. Of course, I will be very happy to organize this! If anyone on this mailing list has direct suggestions on how and when to do it (IRC office hour? A Google Hangout? Which time would be most convenient?), I would love to hear them, and otherwise I'll get in touch with you and some other very active organizers to plan a meeting. Warmly, Sandra On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 3:55 AM Sandra Fauconnier &lt;sfauconnier(a)wikimedia.org <mailto:sfauconnier@wikimedia.org>> wrote: this year. With SDC, Wikimedians can add data from Wikidata directly to files on Wikimedia Commons. find and describe files on Commons in many languages), and machine-readable data with better APIs, that offer more advanced possibilities to build applications like Monumental - https://tools.wmflabs.org/monumental/ Loves... (Monuments, Earth, Africa, Art, Love, ...) campaigns on Wikimedia Commons with structured data. (This is entirely optional, but maybe some of you are already keen to do this, especially if you already have monument or other data in Wikidata!) Wikimedia Commons' UploadWizard to support the campaigns that want to be powered by Structured Data 'new style'. which structured data features you want to see in UploadWizard, and we are now organizing a consultation about this over the next two weeks. feedback. We're collecting this first round of input until April 17. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Fee… Wikimedia communities: https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> -- User: LilyOfTheWest -- Sandra Fauconnier (she/her) Program Officer, GLAM and Structured Data, Wikimedia Foundation Twitter: @glamwiki How Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums work with Wikimedia communities: https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org