Hi Andrij, I am trying to follow your logic because I think you are a bit stuck. I noticed you didn't have any monuments on Wikimedia Commons yet, so I just created some categories there for you and a template which you can see here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Moscow_Bridge As the template indicates, you need to put in the logo of your heritage organization (I used the Ukraine flag) and the url to your heritage register (I used foo.org). The template lets you automatically link the heritage object to it's registry-by-number in an online database. I don't think you have one, but then you need to make one, because this link has to go somewhere, I think, otherwise you will not satisfy the need for notability of the photo on Commons. I labelled this bridge with the number from your list: K-0102 Next I saw that you added the data about your list to the 2011 page, but doesn't this need to be on the 2012 page? I can't even find the 2012 page for this though. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Monumen… Sorry, I am not familiar with erfgoed bot, I can only follow the workflow diagram like you. I believe Maarten (Multichill) is the one who needs to do this for you. Jane 2012/7/16 Андрій Бондаренко <a1(a)wikimediaukraine.org.ua>

Yaroslav, If it's not one thing, then it's the other thing.... How strange that there are so many photo's of that bridge on Commons! I am glad to see I at least picked a good category to use for testing purposes. The main gist of my story is that you need to think of the WLM list problem with the row template as being part of a triangular relationship within Wikipedia. The heritage number links via the row template to the Wikipedia article (infobox designation number?) which links to the Commons monument template with the unique identifier number in the photo or category. Sometimes there will be no picture, so nothing on commons, and sometimes there will be no article either, but your WLM row template list needs to have the infrastructure so that those two possibilities can be "found" by the erfgoed or any other bot. The Wikipedia article should have geocoordinates that match the geocoordinates in the in the commons files, and this is possible with the monuments database. Jane (off-topic to Yaroslav: they don't get the idea of geocoordinates in North Dakota) 2012/7/17 Yaroslav M. Blanter <putevod(a)mccme.ru>

Andrij, I don't think you need to copy all of your existing monuments to the new category, but you have to realize that in September, during the contest when the Commons upload wizard is activated, the template (I mean the Commons template that I linked to in my previous email) will be added to the photo during the batch run of the night after the upload. So in the case of this bridge with number K-0102, user XYZ will come along and use the WLM uploader and type in K-0102. Right after the upload, the template will be visible along with the WLM logo showing this K-0102 number, but nothing else. That night, the erfgoed bot will come along and put the photo in the proper category, and will also add gecoordinates that it gets from your list. You had created a row template, but you forgot to create the Commons photo template. That is what I made and linked to the bridge category. If your ministry of culture (or their agency, since it's not clear to me who you got the list of monuments from) has no logo, then I guess you can use the Ukraine flag, but during the competition the Ukraine flag will also be used in the CC-by-SA licence template, so you will see it used twice in all uploads. When I wrote "I don't think you have one, but then you need to make one", I was not referring to the number itself, but a link per photo to a place where you explain the number. The reason you need this is because we have said that the unique identifier is necessary to participate in WLM. During the WLM contest lots of mistakes get uploaded and many end up getting deleted because they cannot be traced to the proper record. I don't know if you can link to your wikipedia list. Usually this link goes directly to a heritage agency. See for examples the other templates in use by other WLM countries here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Monument_templates Jane 2012/7/17 Андрій Бондаренко <bondareandre(a)gmail.com>

Andrij, you might want to edit those lists to only include numbers for the ones eligible for photographs, and leave out the numbers for the ones that should not be in the competition. Yaroslav, About the Kiev monuments: Yes, we need to tackle these issues because you're absolutely right, we don't want to create a larger problem than the one we already have. About North Dakota: It's amazing to me that for a state over 500 kilometers wide and with fewer than 700,000 inhabitants they would argue about whether or not they should allow stubs to be made for NRHP monuments. You would think they would be happy to create a monument article for everything that fits the NRHP description. Now they seem to be arguing about whether geocoordinates are useful. There is something rather comical about the responses. It reminds me of the movie Fargo. Jane 2012/7/17 Yaroslav M. Blanter <putevod(a)mccme.ru>

This is one option. Another option would be to clearly separate ineligible monuments with a different color. This is how I tried to do it when I still had an illusion that my effort is needed by somebody. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%8A%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D1%8… (the first line) Cheers Yaroslav

Hallo, data from Ukrainian row template gets now fetched to the monuments database. Sample output: http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/api/api.php?action=search&limit=100&… -- Raul 2012/7/17 Андрій Бондаренко <a1(a)wikimediaukraine.org.ua>ua>:

Thanks a lot for adding our list. That's great! I opened our templates in Kyiv list (see diff<http://uk.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96%…)d=9968262>), could I expect the list will be renewed? Here<http://owlz.org/oar-browser.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftoolserver.org%2F%… could see only Koziatyn. It is much better then foreing villages, but Kyiv also is wanted. And once more quesition. Could this page - http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/api/ be translated? I mean a let coumn with woeds "Countries", "Languages" etc. The link in bottom seems to be incorrect - correspondent page in translatewiki have been already translated. Andrij 2012/7/18 Maarten Dammers &lt;maarten(a)mdammers.nl&gt;

Veru nice, but I don't see "UA" in an upper field. Why? Andrij

Thank you very much. Is this page translatable? Some items are translated to Ukrainian but some of them not and I'd like to finish translation if possible. 2012/7/18 Andre Koopal &lt;andre(a)molens.org&gt; -- Andrij