Hi, I dont know if this is in scope with Commons - but if it is, be bold and do it there (I'll leave that question to the commons specialists). Otherwise you could of course do the same taking one language as core project and copying it to the others from there - but I can imagine that is politically sensitive. I would suggest to add some more information in the templates, even though you dont have that info yet. For example: year that the building was built, architect and address. If you dont have the info, leave it blank, but then people can add the info if they like. Best, Lodewijk 2011/2/11 emijrp <emijrp(a)gmail.com>om>:

On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 05:22:51PM +0100, Santiago Navarro Sanz wrote: Another option could be to just use the english wikipedia as the base. Regards, Andre Koopal

On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 09:14:35PM +0100, Beno?t Evellin wrote: I can completely understand that. But on commons you are probably also work in english for the first lists, and from there work on the translations. Sure, I just tried to think along. If using spanish as the base for the lists, english might be a save compromise, that was only the idea, should the people from commons consider this to much out of scope. Regards, Andre

Hi, if it is possible to create it, it is impossible to load it without craching your browser. In NL we split up the table to a municipality level, and where possible even further. In some cities we even ended up on street level. As long as there is a good category and linking structure, that should be doable and scalable. Does that answer your question? Lodewijk 2011/2/12 Tomasz Ganicz <polimerek(a)gmail.com>om>:

2011/2/12 Andre Koopal <andre(a)molens.org>rg>: It is really impresive... Have you done in manually or using a bot? I think it is rather work for bot if there is somwhere a source digital database. -- Tomek "Polimerek" Ganicz http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29&title=tomasz-ganicz

The largest lists on nl-wiki where around 1200 or 1600 monuments (400-600kb)> with on a regular computer loading times form 30-100 sec. I tried once to make the list from amsterdam as 1 to split it up (7000 monuments). But every time you tried visiting it your browsers crashed. The lines for the tables in the dutch wiki where generated with a robot. Then we had them sorted by city, and with a little programm we generated the municipality lists. Then by hand we putted them al in lists on the dutch wiki. Taking around 10-30 minutes per list. Mainly al the links from the cityarticles and redirects took the most time. After that loads of people have filled in missing information. Building dates and Object descriptions. http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gebruiker:Rudolphous/RijksmonumentenTeller there you can find a counter which collects the data from the lists, so that you can see where there is work to be done. (at bottom of the page is most interessting data. If you have any questions about dutch structure of lists, or how we tackled other problems on the dutch project: feel free to ask. Mvg, Bas(vb)

But, why can't we do it on commons and later move it on wikipedia? Spanish Wikipedia =! Wikipedia of Spain Millars Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:58:54 +0100 From: maarten(a)mdammers.nl To: wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Working on Spain lists Hi Emijrp, Op 11-2-2011 16:55, emijrp schreef: Hi all; I'm emijrp, a Wikipedia user from Spain. I'm working on the lists of my country. You can see the structure here.[1] I'm not sure how other countries are going to create their lists, but, if my way is useful, it would be great. Please don't build these lists at Commons, build them at the Spanish Wikipedia. The other languages (like Catalan) can do it too and we'll just integrate the data. That shouldn't be too hard (don't worry about fields having different names). I already made up how I wanted to do this for Switzerland (with English, German, French and Italian) just haven't published about it yet. As for the fields, "coordinates" should be split into "lat" and "lon". Maarten Regards, emijrp [1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011_in_Spai… _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu

Because it's true and you have said before we have to build them on Spanish Wikipedia, but the Contest is for Spain, in Spain are spoken more languages, not everybody from Spain works on Spanish Wikipedia. I am not so sure that this information is out of scope for Commons, were there are pages in adition of the categories about one thing. Millars Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:28:58 +0100 From: maarten(a)mdammers.nl To: wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Working on Spain lists Hi Millars, Op 13-2-2011 21:14, Santiago Navarro Sanz schreef: But, why can't we do it on commons and later move it on wikipedia? Spanish Wikipedia =! Wikipedia of Spain Because this kind of information should be on Wikipedia and is out of scope for Commons. Why did you add "Spanish Wikipedia =! Wikipedia of Spain"? Maarten Millars Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:58:54 +0100 From: maarten(a)mdammers.nl To: wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Working on Spain lists Hi Emijrp, Op 11-2-2011 16:55, emijrp schreef: Hi all; I'm emijrp, a Wikipedia user from Spain. I'm working on the lists of my country. You can see the structure here.[1] I'm not sure how other countries are going to create their lists, but, if my way is useful, it would be great. Please don't build these lists at Commons, build them at the Spanish Wikipedia. The other languages (like Catalan) can do it too and we'll just integrate the data. That shouldn't be too hard (don't worry about fields having different names). I already made up how I wanted to do this for Switzerland (with English, German, French and Italian) just haven't published about it yet. As for the fields, "coordinates" should be split into "lat" and "lon". Maarten Regards, emijrp [1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011_in_Spai… _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu

WLM is only about making photos. Please, stop disturbing with useless tips and rules. I want to create lists of Commons and upload photos there. If I can't do that, I leave. That's all. 2011/2/13 Maarten Dammers <maarten(a)mdammers.nl>

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:03:10PM +0100, emijrp wrote: In my humble opinion WLM is not only about making photos, it is about making the public aware of the monuments in their country, and getting better documention of those monuments, by having pictures, but also by having good information on them. What is the use of the pictures if nobody is using them. In the Netherlands we notices that photographers were motivated by seeing the pictures appear on the lists in Wikipedia while they only uploaded them. That was all done semi-automatic based on the monument-number and some volunteers. Would be very sorry if you think about it that way, I see the lists themself as valuable encyclopedic information, and that way it would fit any wikipedia. Regards, Andre

Hi, (excuse my poor english) In my point of view I think the best place to create the lists at Wikipedia: the number of readers is much more which can facilitate the translation of these lists in other languages. Making the list in Spanish firstmay arouse the interest of others, which may make it easier to involve more people. Doing the same thing is done now but in reverse (first wiki commons after) the result is the same but with more readers and therefore more chances of finding someone interested in collaborating. Mafoso Al 13/02/2011 23:15, En/na Santiago Navarro Sanz ha escrit: