Hi, from discussions it seems there is no clear agreement whether or not there should be an international WLM in 2014. I can at least say that I will not be involved in Wiki Loves Monuments any more (lack of time, and also because of the difficulties encountered at the funding stage and elsewhere which decreased my enthusiasm a lot) - I can't speak for the other organizers. We're still busy wrapping up the 2013 competition. Earlier this year there were conversations to organize a Wiki Loves Earth international edition in 2014 instead of Wiki Loves Monuments, and I know at least WMNL is very interested in that, and Wikimedia Ukraine used to be. I think it is time for people who want to join an international team for the coming year to speak up. Now is the time to get started indeed on that level, and to get as much knowledge transfer as possible from the old to the new team - be it Wiki Loves Earth or Wiki Loves Monuments. Lodewijk 2014/1/11 Santiago Navarro Sanz <wikimillars(a)hotmail.com>

Hi, I don't think it would be necessary to organize it in may per se. However, I do think we should only organize one major international competition at a time in September. So there has to be a choice. You could even stretch it to two months, and let countries pick (august/september) a month. While countries are needed to organize it successfully (very much!) you will also need a dedicated international team of 5-7 people to coordinate everything, assuming it will be more than 10 countries. It is quite a bit of work :) Especially, on the technical side a good (and better) coordination is required to make sure things are ready in time. Without an international team, I don't see an international competition happening. Of course you could try to organize a national competition anyway (nothing prohibits that really), but you'll have to do some of the stuff the international community picked up in the past years yourself. Lodewijk 2014/1/11 Santiago Navarro Sanz <wikimillars(a)hotmail.com>

I think Switzerland too. Switzerland is working a lot on the alpine space and on the Alps and a Wiki Loves Earth matches exactly the strategies of WM CH for 2014. Regards On 11.01.2014 22:08, Lodewijk wrote: -- Ilario Valdelli Wikimedia CH Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera Switzerland - 8008 Zürich Tel: +41764821371 http://www.wikimedia.ch

Hi, Discussions on timing are being held at  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Earth_2014  , most options are around April-May (basically the best period to picture nature, especially in the North Hemisphere). Please participate in the discussion if you are interested - the faster we decide on the time, the better. We are currently building a team for the international edition, and we are going to request funding for WLE 2014 international edition in the name of Wikimedia Ukraine. If anyone is interested to participate in organising WLE, please join the mailing list  wikilovesearth(a)lists.wikimedia.org  as well! Regards, Mykola --- Оригінальне повідомлення --- Від кого: "Lodewijk" < lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org > Дата: 11 січня 2014, 22:09:28 Hi, from discussions it seems there is no clear agreement whether or not there should be an international WLM in 2014. I can at least say that I will not be involved in Wiki Loves Monuments any more (lack of time, and also because of the difficulties encountered at the funding stage and elsewhere which decreased my enthusiasm a lot) - I can't speak for the other organizers. We're still busy wrapping up the 2013 competition.  Earlier this year there were conversations to organize a Wiki Loves Earth international edition in 2014 instead of Wiki Loves Monuments, and I know at least WMNL is very interested in that, and Wikimedia Ukraine used to be.  I think it is time for people who want to join an international team for the coming year to speak up. Now is the time to get started indeed on that level, and to get as much knowledge transfer as possible from the old to the new team - be it Wiki Loves Earth or Wiki Loves Monuments.  Lodewijk 2014/1/11 Santiago Navarro Sanz < wikimillars(a)hotmail.com > I have the same question. I think that are still enough countries interested in a new edition. Wikimedia Spain will be one of them. Is there anyone interested? regards Santi Navarro From: emijrp(a)gmail.com Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 20:13:36 +0100 To: wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wiki Loves Monuments] 2014 contest Hi all; Will we see in 2014 a new edition of WLM? I don't see any coordination messages or pages in Commons. Regards _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

LOL, so we have: * Wiki Loves Earth 2014 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Earth_2014 * Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2014 * Wiki Loves Public Art 2014 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Public_Art_2014 OK OK. I thought that there was no activity thats why I asked, but there are several options for this year. I'm going to see how to help, in lists, tech or whatever. 2014/1/11 Jan Ainali &lt;jan.ainali(a)wikimedia.se&gt;

Hi, It's nice to know there's still interested countries around! This was our first year in the Arab world region, so we still has way to go. The organization of the contest in few middle eastern countries in 2013 helped introduce WLM for the first time to Arabic Wikipedia community, so now we have a lot more of interested countries and people; there's at least 4 new countries that have already expressed interest in joining the 2014 edition. If there's international contest, then we are definitely in. For WLE, I find it really interesting, but if there's going to be WLM 2014 then maybe it will be hard to run both at the same time, as we barely have enough resources and energies to run one contest effectively. Abbad. From: addiswang94(a)gmail.com Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 18:16:13 -0500 To: wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] 2014 contest Hi All It’s sad to know that. Lodewijk and the international team did a really great work last year, and their tiredness and challenges that we possibly can not imagine without join their work. For China, we do hope another big event in 2014 with international level competition, it’s just beginning of us, but we do it even maybe without it. Wiki Loves Earth is a great project undoubted, but the time for preparation is just too short for start a new project. And I think, Wiki Loves Monument is kind of formed a own “brand" for influence and identification, it won’t be a good idea to give up a easy apple, especially for small community like China. If we really interested in these photo competitions, whatever the monuments or the earth, we should do it together, instead of separating out limit force to several different projects. I’m not free enough to take over it, but I’ll help if needed. Addis On Jan 11, 2014, at 5:21 PM, Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada &lt;emijrp(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:LOL, so we have: * Wiki Loves Earth 2014 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Earth_2014 * Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2014 * Wiki Loves Public Art 2014 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Public_Art_2014 OK OK. I thought that there was no activity thats why I asked, but there are several options for this year. I'm going to see how to help, in lists, tech or whatever. 2014/1/11 Jan Ainali &lt;jan.ainali(a)wikimedia.se&gt; WMSE, just as WMRO, will have a WLM even if there is no international contest. By the way, WMSE will also be international coordinators of Wiki Loves Public Art if anyone wants to join :) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Public_Art_2014 Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige 0729 - 67 29 48 2014/1/11 Mykola Kozlenko &lt;mycola-k(a)ukr.net&gt; Hi, From Wikimedia Ukraine I can confirm that we are still interested in organising the international edition of Wiki Loves Earth, and we already have an international mailing list for it: wikilovesearth(a)lists.wikimedia.org . This mailing list is, however, currently lacking activity - thus we invite everyone interested (or potentially interested) to join it: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesearth ! Discussions on timing are being held at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Earth_2014 , most options are around April-May (basically the best period to picture nature, especially in the North Hemisphere). Please par ticipate in the discussion if you are interested - the faster we decide on the time, the better. We are currently building a team for the international edition, and we are going to request funding for WLE 2014 international edition in the name of Wikimedia Ukraine. If anyone is interested to participate in organising WLE, please join the mailing list wikilovesearth(a)lists.wikimedia.org as well! Regards,Mykola --- Оригінальне повідомлення --- Від кого: "Lodewijk" &lt;lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org&gt; Дата: 11 січня 2014, 22:09:28 Hi, from discussions it seems there is no clear agreement whether or not there should be an international WLM in 2014. I can at least say that I will not be involved in Wiki Loves Monuments any more (lack of time, and also because of the difficulties encountered at the funding stage and elsewhere which decreased my enthusiasm a lot) - I can't speak for the other organizers. We're still busy wrapping up the 2013 competition. Earlier this year there were conversations to organize a Wiki Loves Earth international edition in 2014 instead of Wiki Loves Monuments, and I know at least WMNL is very interested in that, and Wikimedia Ukraine used to be. I think it is time for people who want to join an international team for the coming year to speak up. Now is the time to get started indeed on that level, and to get as much knowledge transfer as possible from the old to the new team - be it Wiki Loves Earth or Wiki Loves Monuments. Lodewijk 2014/1/11 Santiago Navarro Sanz &lt;wikimillars(a)hotmail.com&gt; I have the same question. I think that are still enough countries interested in a new edition. Wikimedia Spain will be one of them. Is there anyone interested? regards Santi Navarro From: emijrp(a)gmail.com Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 20:13:36 +0100 To: wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wiki Loves Monuments] 2014 contest Hi all; Will we see in 2014 a new edition of WLM? I don't see any coordination messages or pages in Commons. Regards _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

Thanks Lodewijk for the great job done so far, you and other nice guys in the international team. I myself have enjoyed the participation in 3 editions of WLM and I can understand that now it is time to take a rest or to search for new challanges. I also undersantd that some countries still have desire and work done to complete the monuments. I think the key point is to have an intenational team that encourages and helps others. I enjoyed and learned a lot with this scheme of collaboration. Whatever contests are made in 2014 I would reapeat that with a good international team. Vicenç From: lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 22:08:56 +0100 To: wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] 2014 contest Hi, from discussions it seems there is no clear agreement whether or not there should be an international WLM in 2014. I can at least say that I will not be involved in Wiki Loves Monuments any more (lack of time, and also because of the difficulties encountered at the funding stage and elsewhere which decreased my enthusiasm a lot) - I can't speak for the other organizers. We're still busy wrapping up the 2013 competition. Earlier this year there were conversations to organize a Wiki Loves Earth international edition in 2014 instead of Wiki Loves Monuments, and I know at least WMNL is very interested in that, and Wikimedia Ukraine used to be. I think it is time for people who want to join an international team for the coming year to speak up. Now is the time to get started indeed on that level, and to get as much knowledge transfer as possible from the old to the new team - be it Wiki Loves Earth or Wiki Loves Monuments. Lodewijk 2014/1/11 Santiago Navarro Sanz &lt;wikimillars(a)hotmail.com&gt; I have the same question. I think that are still enough countries interested in a new edition. Wikimedia Spain will be one of them. Is there anyone interested? regards Santi Navarro From: emijrp(a)gmail.com Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 20:13:36 +0100 To: wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wiki Loves Monuments] 2014 contest Hi all; Will we see in 2014 a new edition of WLM? I don't see any coordination messages or pages in Commons. Regards _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

If you are not going to support ErfgoedBot, I can take it over Ilya, one of the organizers of Wiki Loves Earth 2013 in Ukraine On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Maarten Dammers &lt;maarten(a)mdammers.nl&gt;wrote;wrote:

It would be great! Thank you Ilya. I think that we should do WLM 2014 because there were many new countries last year, and it was a pitty that their effort last year has not impact this one. There are still many countries that have not participated yet and some others that are still interested. I understand that some countries lost interest because near all monuments have a picture, but other not yet. WLE is a very good project and also WLPA, and I don't see any problem in having three contest in different months of the year. Some countries could organize more than one contest. At this moment some countries have showed their interest in one or more contest. E.g. for WLM 2014 there are already three countries on the Commons page, and others have said here that they would be interested. Santi Navarro (from Spain) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 14:58:19 +0200 From: intracer(a)gmail.com To: wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] 2014 contest If you are not going to support ErfgoedBot, I can take it over Ilya, one of the organizers of Wiki Loves Earth 2013 in Ukraine On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Maarten Dammers &lt;maarten(a)mdammers.nl&gt; wrote: Hi Emilio, Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada schreef op 11-1-2014 20:13: Hi all; Will we see in 2014 a new edition of WLM? I don't see any coordination messages or pages in Commons. As pointed out by others we seem to have three pages: * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2014 * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Earth_2014 * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Public_Art_2014 In my opinion we should not organize Wiki Loves Monuments in 2014 and not even local competitions under that name. Wiki Loves Monuments was very successful over the last couple of years and of course people are eager to continue with that, but I'm very afraid of the sequel syndrome: Each next edition gets worse than the previous one. I'd rather not do it this year and maybe do it again in 2015 or 2016. Than everyone who is a bit fed up with the project might be up to a new edition. I'm not even sure if we should do a photo competition this year, we don't want to become a one trick movement. If we would do one I would opt in for the Earth one, I love public art, but the whole (lack of) freedom of panorama is a pain in the ass. Wiki Loves Earth does seem to be quite late in the whole organization if you compare it one of the previous WLM time lines (like https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Timeli…). One thing I would like is that the language Wikipedia's have "heritage" as the writing theme for September 2014. Something else. All these projects seem to rely on ErfgoedBot. That's hosted on the Toolserver and unless someone else takes it over, I'm going to let it die with the Toolserver. Might be a bit inconvenient if you're in the middle of a photo competition. Maarten _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

Why exactly one? From 0 to 3. On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter &lt;putevod(a)mccme.ru&gt;wrote;wrote:

Hi all, 2014/1/11 Lodewijk &lt;lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org&gt;rg>: *strong* quote of Lodewijk here. Let me express my thought here: if we want to have the international WLM in 2014 all we need to do (and it is not a simple task!) is to find 7 people willing to be the next international team. I can help in 2014 too, but I will not have much more time than what I had this year (which is not very much, ask Lodewijk and the other WLM-i members about that). (and yes, I know I am lagging behind with a lot of things). 2014/1/12 Maarten Dammers &lt;maarten(a)mdammers.nl&gt;nl>: My personal opinion on this point is the same as Samat: 2014/1/12 Samat &lt;samat78(a)gmail.com&gt;om>: I can totally understand that volunteers from France, The Nederlands or Poland (please note that these are just random names) which already had 3 editions of WLM (4 for NL) may be willing to do something else, possibly not even related with photography. But those volunteers are also the most experienced with organizing WLM both on the local and the international level. It would be great if somebody of them would be willing to join the international team since (or thanks to the fact that) there will be no WLM in 2014 in their country. 2014/1/12 Maarten Dammers &lt;maarten(a)mdammers.nl&gt;nl>: [...] (OT) but writing is much more difficult [time-demanding? tedious? whatever? ...] than taking photos. You can not have a nice stroll around and since you are already there you just write something (/OT) Adding a couple of info for everybody here: there was a plan to transfer it to WMFLabs, AFAIK one problem was this bug[*] C [*] <https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48851>

Hello Santi, I am willing to provide the on-wiki technical support for WLM in September (concerning upload wizard and central notice). Romaine -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 1/11/14, Santiago Navarro Sanz &lt;wikimillars(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote: Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] 2014 contest To: "Wiki Loves Monuments" &lt;wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; Date: Saturday, January 11, 2014, 7:43 PM I have the same question. I think that are still enough countries interested in a new edition. Wikimedia Spain will be one of them. Is there anyone interested? regards Santi Navarro From: emijrp(a)gmail.com Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 20:13:36 +0100 To: wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wiki Loves Monuments] 2014 contest Hi all; Will we see in 2014 a new edition of WLM? I don't see any coordination messages or pages in Commons. Regards _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

The community in Bolivia has also showed interest since we just held our first version last year. On Feb 20, 2014 4:53 PM, "Santiago Navarro Sanz" &lt;wikimillars(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote:

Hi all, that is indeed a good point - it is great that everyone is so enthusiastic and want to run either or even both contests, but without an international team, there will not be an international competition, or even a good infrastructure :) So far, I heard that Cristian willing to join an international team only - and Romaine and Ilya to support parts of the infrastructure (resp. erfgoedbot and templates). Anyone else? Best, Lodewijk 2014-02-21 20:28 GMT+01:00 Teele Vaalma &lt;teele.vaalma(a)gmail.com&gt;om>:

Hi Vacio, It's a good idea to start that the page for international team volunteer. May I suggest that you also start a page for potential funding and participating countries too? I am happy to work on international team too provided that someone else take care of Thailand or you guys allow me to double the post. Cheers, Taweetham On 22 February 2014 18:54, Vacio &lt;vacio(a)riseup.net&gt; wrote: