Hi, OK, it seems the most interesting would be scenario 3. I have a good idea what the story in Italy might look like :) Alexander, what would be the story about Russia? I think a story about Austria might be nice too? Given that it is one of the most successful countries in terms of coverage? On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 7:11 PM, Alexander Tsirlin &lt;altsirlin(a)gmail.com <mailto:altsirlin@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear Lodewijk, I can write something about WLM in Russia, but I have to know the size limit and the time scale. Best, Alexander On 03.04.2016 13:34, Lodewijk wrote: _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

Hi, OK. In total we have 350-400 words. So I propose: - 100 words for 3 stories each - 100 words for a general surrounding explanation. I propose the following stories: - RU about travelling long distances by photographers - NL about collecting municipal lists - IT about the struggle with legislation & permissions Each story can be 100 words in English, with a few good photos that go with it (not sure how many we can fit in). Would that work? Please confirm. Unfortunately we can't put more stories in! But NickK, it would be great to include something on the WLM (or Wikimedia) blog! Could I keep the UA story as a backup for this? It sounds more complicated to explain in 100 words than the NL story, and I like the geographic diversity Best, Lodewijk On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 11:25 PM, Mykola Kozlenko &lt;mycola-k(a)ukr.net <mailto:mycola-k@ukr.net>> wrote: Hi Lodewijk, We in Ukraine would be interested to participate, especially because we have just released a journal about Wiki Loves Monuments for exactly the same audience - monuments professionals and volunteers - and thus we already have some materials ready (in Ukrainian). Probably the most interesting story from us would be about "making our own lists" - not in the meaning that we are doing original research, but in the meaning that Ukraine has strictly no cultural heritage register. Instead several hundreds of institutions maintain their own official lists, from the Ministry of Culture to municipalities, and they hardly communicate with each other. The process involved sending requests to all of them, digitising and converting these lists, collaborating with local historians and museums who sometimes had the necessary lists and even requesting the lists in the court when a local administration refused to provide them. As a result, we have the most complete monument lists that ever existed in Ukraine. If this story does not work, we can also write about the "WLM community" we have, i.e. people who travel, visit, picture and document monuments during the year and upload photos of 1000+ monuments in September. If this corresponds to what you are looking for, please tell us what do we have to provide. Thanks, Mykola (NickK) WLM Ukraine --- Оригінальне повідомлення --- Від кого: "Lodewijk" &lt;lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org <mailto:lodewijk@effeietsanders.org>> Дата: 3 квітня 2016, 19:34:54 Hi, the target audience would be heritage (monuments) professionals and volunteers. So what we would probably want to transfer, is enthusiasm for free knowledge, for collaborating with online movements, for sharing information. So it would be especially nice to share a story, I think. Not so much describing the whole competition, but taking out one aspect, and telling a narrative. In Italy, I suspect the story about how all the government institutions came together to work around silly legislation would be a great story. The size of Russia and the travelling involved might make a nice story too. I'm a little less convinced that the 'making our own lists' would come across well, but I don't know enough about that. Yaroslav's suggestion for taking 'we have covered everything' might work too, in several countries. In the Netherlands, I could imagine a story about collecting the municipal lists (this involved calling them all, and collecting and converting them one by one). What other stories do you know about, that we could share? Best, Lodewijk On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Alexander Tsirlin &lt;altsirlin(a)gmail.com <mailto:altsirlin@gmail.com>> wrote: My ideas about WLM in Russia would be: - no national register of cultural heritage (we are basically making one ourselves, and it's at least as good as different 'official' registers created over the years) - no freedom of panorama for sculptures (see Italy) - amazing traveling activity of our participants (last year we offered a special nomination for the maximum number of regions covered; the winner uploaded photos from 31 regions (out of ~85 regions in total), which is quite a lot considering the size of the country) There is likely not enough space to mention everything, but you can point me to the topic that will be most interesting for the European readers. -Alexander On 03.04.2016 19:14, Lodewijk wrote: _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

Hi, We actually already published a post on Wikimedia blog about this last year: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/06/19/ukraine-secret-cultural-heritage/ , we also wrote about this in our WLM photo album ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3AWlm_2014_Ukraine.pdf… ) and elsewhere. It is unfortunate that the number of stories dropped from 5 to 3, but we are still available to provide a 100-word story if needed. Thanks, Mykola (NickK) 06 квітня 2016, 00:51:08, від "Lodewijk" &lt;lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org&gt;rg>: Hi, OK. In total we have 350-400 words. So I propose: - 100 words for 3 stories each - 100 words for a general surrounding explanation. I propose the following stories: - RU about travelling long distances by photographers - NL about collecting municipal lists - IT about the struggle with legislation & permissions Each story can be 100 words in English, with a few good photos that go with it (not sure how many we can fit in). Would that work? Please confirm. Unfortunately we can't put more stories in! But NickK, it would be great to include something on the WLM (or Wikimedia) blog! Could I keep the UA story as a backup for this? It sounds more complicated to explain in 100 words than the NL story, and I like the geographic diversity Best, Lodewijk On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 11:25 PM, Mykola Kozlenko &lt;mycola-k(a)ukr.net&gt; wrote: Hi Lodewijk, We in Ukraine would be interested to participate, especially because we have just released a journal about Wiki Loves Monuments for exactly the same audience - monuments professionals and volunteers - and thus we already have some materials ready (in Ukrainian). Probably the most interesting story from us would be about "making our own lists" - not in the meaning that we are doing original research, but in the meaning that Ukraine has strictly no cultural heritage register. Instead several hundreds of institutions maintain their own official lists, from the Ministry of Culture to municipalities, and they hardly communicate with each other. The process involved sending requests to all of them, digitising and converting these lists, collaborating with local historians and museums who sometimes had the necessary lists and even requesting the lists in the court when a local administration refused to provide them. As a result, we have the most complete monument lists that ever existed in Ukraine. If this story does not work, we can also write about the "WLM community" we have, i.e. people who travel, visit, picture and document monuments during the year and upload photos of 1000+ monuments in September. If this corresponds to what you are looking for, please tell us what do we have to provide. Thanks, Mykola (NickK) WLM Ukraine --- Оригінальне повідомлення --- Від кого: "Lodewijk" &lt;lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org&gt; Дата: 3 квітня 2016, 19:34:54 Hi, the target audience would be heritage (monuments) professionals and volunteers. So what we would probably want to transfer, is enthusiasm for free knowledge, for collaborating with online movements, for sharing information. So it would be especially nice to share a story, I think. Not so much describing the whole competition, but taking out one aspect, and telling a narrative. In Italy, I suspect the story about how all the government institutions came together to work around silly legislation would be a great story. The size of Russia and the travelling involved might make a nice story too. I'm a little less convinced that the 'making our own lists' would come across well, but I don't know enough about that. Yaroslav's suggestion for taking 'we have covered everything' might work too, in several countries. In the Netherlands, I could imagine a story about collecting the municipal lists (this involved calling them all, and collecting and converting them one by one). What other stories do you know about, that we could share? Best, Lodewijk On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Alexander Tsirlin &lt;altsirlin(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: My ideas about WLM in Russia would be: - no national register of cultural heritage (we are basically making one ourselves, and it's at least as good as different 'official' registers created over the years) - no freedom of panorama for sculptures (see Italy) - amazing traveling activity of our participants (last year we offered a special nomination for the maximum number of regions covered; the winner uploaded photos from 31 regions (out of ~85 regions in total), which is quite a lot considering the size of the country) There is likely not enough space to mention everything, but you can point me to the topic that will be most interesting for the European readers. -Alexander On 03.04.2016 19:14, Lodewijk wrote: Hi, OK, it seems the most interesting would be scenario 3. I have a good idea what the story in Italy might look like :) Alexander, what would be the story about Russia? I think a story about Austria might be nice too? Given that it is one of the most successful countries in terms of coverage? On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 7:11 PM, Alexander Tsirlin < &lt;altsirlin(a)gmail.com&gt; altsirlin(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Dear Lodewijk, I can write something about WLM in Russia, but I have to know the size limit and the time scale. Best, Alexander On 03.04.2016 13:34, Lodewijk wrote: Hey folks, it may be possible to publish a 2 page article in Europa Nostra, but the deadline would be short. Is there anything you'd like to share in such an article? I imagine a few scenarios: - 1. Make a piece about WLM in the past years - 2. Make a piece about WLM in 2015, with a short outlook for 2016. I'm not sure if this would give the best material - 3. Make a piece showcasing 3-5 national competitions in the wider European region (Council of Europe - which includes Russia etc) and making it a little more about the national stories. I personally am a bit in favour of the third, which could let us tell a story about national competitions, how volunteers play a role etc. But I would need your help! Who would be able to help write a piece? What would be your favourite approach? 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Hi all, below a first draft - the piece about Italy is still missing. I think we have a nice diversity this way! It's cramming a bit more, so lets see how this works out. Best, Lodewijk ----

Thanks. Feedback is welcome until tonight. Unfortunately I will rather have to cut information short, than to add more, so I'll have to look into that. I'm afraid Jonathans suggestion about Armenia wouldn't fit in - but it would also be a great opportunity for a blog post. Lodewijk On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter &lt;putevod(a)mccme.ru&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

(Italy) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:La_Sacra_ammantata_dalla_neve.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Biblioteca_Gambalunga_(Rimini)-4.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Palazzo_Ducale_-_Urbino_2.JPG https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Piazza_del_Popolo_panorama.jpg