Hi Nuno,
Is this clear now? Otherwise can we perhaps have a chat on irc about it?
Regards,
Andre
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 12:48:49AM +0200, Andre Koopal wrote:
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:24:37PM +0100, Nuno
Tavares wrote:
> Andre,
>
> I understand different things between your e-mail in 19-08-2011 08:44
> and 19-08-2011 20:51.
>
> Let's see if I can explain:
>
> The table you pointed (in the first) is specific to NL. Each country'
> table has only some fields mapped to a "global table" (monuments_all).
> For those fields, the tool I've shown already does what you want.
>
> For other fields (like architect), that would need to be addressed on
> individual basis, which is too overwhelming (there are 22 different
> tables, I suppose each one with more or less fields, with different
> names for each one, etc.).
>
> That's why the table you see at:
>
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Monumen…
> ... only shows some fields (the ones that are common and mapped to
> monuments_all).
>
>
> For this table, you can get it with the tool I mentioned (URL probably
> spanned in multiple lines):
>
>
>
http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org.pt/tools/stats-eu/index.php?format=table
>
&item[]=name&item[]=name_pct&item[]=address&item[]=address_pct&item[]=municipality&item[]=municipality_pct&item[]=coordinates&item[]=coordinates_pct&item[]=image&item[]=image_pct&width=1000&height=700&filter[]=ad&filter[]=be-vlg&filter[]=ch&filter[]=es&filter[]=es-ct&filter[]=es-vc&filter[]=fr&filter[]=ie&filter[]=it-88&filter[]=nl&filter[]=pt
>
> (There are only some countries because, as I said before, my database is
> pretty old).
Hi Nuno,
This table is only showing countries. What I want is to see for a given
country, the numbers per municipal.
Regards,
Andre
> Now, back to Jane:
>
> ?I was looking for something much less dynamic - just the number of
> monuments per municipality in a chart which I suppose would show lots of
> monuments near historic cities and nothing in the mountain ranges?
>
> What we can do is breakdown by a field, like municipality. Then you
> could generate a table with all municipalities (of selected countries)
> and request non "_pct" (per-cent) fields. In your example, you would
> request only the totals, like this, but breaking down each country by
> its municipalities:
>
>
http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org.pt/tools/stats-eu/index.php?format=table&…
>
> Is that it?
>
>
> Also note that the statistics are independent from the loading of the
> databases (each country has their own staff working on that) - if there
> is data on the database, it will just show automatically.
>
>
> --
> Nuno Tavares
> Wikimedia Portugal
>
http://www.wikimedia.pt
>
> Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano. ? isso o que
> estamos a fazer.
>
> Participe tamb?m:
http://www.wikimedia.pt
>
> Em 19-08-2011 20:51, Andre Koopal escreveu:
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 07:34:13PM +0100, Nuno Tavares wrote:
>>> We have that also, at the bottom of the page:
>>>
http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org.pt/tools/stats/
>>>
>>> I believe a map for Europe (never seen google charts for Europe divided
>>> by municipality, though) could be refreshed, say, daily and automatically.
>>>
>>> Andre, the data is (or really should be) at the unified database
>>> (monuments_all), and that's what I've been using - it's just not
>>> updated, as I'm waiting for some database fixes from Maarten.
>>>
>>> However I have this strange impression that I'm missing something. Is it
>>> the tables you're interested in? I can manage to generate them
>>> (dinamically) the next few days.
>> Hi Nuno,
>>
>> Yes, I am intrested in just the tables. Just like the page I started with:
>>
>>
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiproject/Erfgoed/Nederlandse_Erfg…
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Andre
>>> --
>>> Nuno Tavares
>>> Wikimedia Portugal
>>>
http://www.wikimedia.pt
>>>
>>> Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
>>> livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano. ? isso o que
>>> estamos a fazer.
>>>
>>> Participe tamb?m:
http://www.wikimedia.pt
>>>
>>> Em 19-08-2011 14:34, Otourly Wiki escreveu:
>>>> In France we have it :
>>>>
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:France_Density_of_Monuments_historique…
>>>>
>>>>
<http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:France_Density_of_Monuments_historiques_by_department.svg>
>>>> I assume it could be easly done for Neederlands and cie...
>>>>
>>>> Florian Farge aka Otourly
>>>> Sur lesprojets wikim?diens
>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Otourly> et
l'Association
>>>> fran?aise <http://www.wikimedia.fr/index.php/Accueil>,sur OxyRadio
>>>> <http://www.oxyradio.net/membre-436.html>, OSM
>>>> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Otourly>, et sur MOVIM
>>>> <http://www.movim.eu/>
>>>> Socio di Wikimedia Italia
>>>> <http://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/Pagina_principale>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> *De :* Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com>
>>>> *? :* Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition
>>>> <wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>> *Envoy? le :* Vendredi 19 Ao?t 2011 15h07
>>>> *Objet :* Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] European stats and other cool
tools
>>>>
>>>> Andre,
>>>> It would be cool to have a "heat map" of Europe with the
number of
>>>> monuments per municipality like this one in the States for the
>>>> National Register of Historic Places:
>>>>
>>>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NRHP_USA_Map.svg
>>>>
>>>> Is this possible with the data we have now?
>>>> Jane
>>>>
>>>> 2011/8/19 Andre Koopal <andre(a)molens.org
<mailto:andre@molens.org>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:06:14AM +0100, Nuno Tavares wrote:
>>>> > Andre,
>>>> >
>>>> > We can easily report on the fields that are mapped against
>>>> > 'monuments_all' table, other combinations would be
too weird
>>>> to allow
>>>> > (although that's possible as well).
>>>> >
>>>> > What are you trying to achieve, in the end? Just dumping
all
>>>> fields status?
>>>>
>>>> Hi Nuno,
>>>>
>>>> Per 'municiple', or whatever distinction there is in a
country
>>>> we want
>>>> at least to know the number of monuments there, and the numbers
>>>> of pictures
>>>> taken (which lead to how much to do). The others can be
>>>> intresting as well,
>>>> like 'number of coordinates'. That way people can deal
with the
>>>> lists in
>>>> a structured manner dealing with these things, and, most
>>>> important for
>>>> WLM, decide were still a lot of pictures are needed, so go there
>>>> to take
>>>> pictures.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Andre
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Nuno Tavares
>>>> > Wikimedia Portugal
>>>> >
http://www.wikimedia.pt
>>>> >
>>>> > Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a
possibilidade
>>>> de ter
>>>> > livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano. ?
>>>> isso o que
>>>> > estamos a fazer.
>>>> >
>>>> > Participe tamb?m:
http://www.wikimedia.pt
>>>> >
>>>> > Em 18-08-2011 18:04, Andre Koopal escreveu:
>>>> > > Has there been any update for this?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > For NL we have the followonig statisticspage:
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>>
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiproject/Erfgoed/Nederlandse_Erfg…
>>>> > >
>>>> > > That is done outsite the database at the moment by
somebody
>>>> else, but of
>>>> > > course all data is in the database.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Can something like this already be generated via the
Api? I
>>>> have a request
>>>> > > from Romaine if this can be done for BE as well, and it
is
>>>> probably of
>>>> > > intrest to all countries?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Regards,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Andre
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:21:14PM +0100, Nuno Tavares
wrote:
>>>> > >> I've added a new option: 'groupby',
values: country or item.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Grouping by country may be more interesting for
countries
>>>> in particular.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Example:
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>>
http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org.pt/tools/stats-eu/index.php?format=graph&…
>>>>
<http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org.pt/tools/stats-eu/index.php?format=graph&item[]=name_pct&item[]=address_pct&item[]=municipality_pct&item[]=coordinates_pct&item[]=image_pct&width=1000&height=700&filter[]=pt&filter[]=es&filter[]=es-vc&filter[]=es-ct&groupby=country>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> PS: By the way, graph for 'pt' looks pretty
ugly, we really
>>>> should
>>>> > >> update our database :P
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> --
>>>> > >> Nuno Tavares
>>>> > >> Wikimedia Portugal
>>>> > >>
http://www.wikimedia.pt
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a
>>>> possibilidade de ter
>>>> > >> livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento
humano. ?
>>>> isso o que
>>>> > >> estamos a fazer.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Participe tamb?m:
http://www.wikimedia.pt
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Em 11-08-2011 03:24, Nuno Tavares escreveu:
>>>> > >>> Maarten and all,
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> I've done already the most part for the
statistics. I'll
>>>> have to recall
>>>> > >>> how to get in to the toolserver to merge it
into the API,
>>>> but here is a
>>>> > >>> preview (based on an old DB dump):
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>>
http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org.pt/tools/stats-eu/index.php
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> Here is a graph example:
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>>
>>>>
http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org.pt/tools/stats-eu/index.php?format=graph&…
>>>>
<http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org.pt/tools/stats-eu/index.php?format=graph&item[]=name_pct&item[]=address_pct&item[]=municipality_pct&item[]=coordinates_pct&item[]=image_pct&width=1000&height=700&filter[]=pt&filter[]=es&filter[]=es-vc&filter[]=es-ct>
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> Here is a table example:
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>>
>>>>
http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org.pt/tools/stats-eu/index.php?format=table&…
>>>>
<http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org.pt/tools/stats-eu/index.php?format=table&item[]=name_pct&item[]=address_pct&item[]=municipality_pct&item[]=coordinates_pct&item[]=image_pct&width=1000&height=700&filter[]=pt&filter[]=es&filter[]=es-vc&filter[]=es-ct>
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> Not sure what else would be usefull, though.
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>
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