On 06/28/2012 12:02 PM, Lodewijk wrote: 45 seconds? No way! you need to plan at least 5 minutes for each, unless the desired result is a mere snap shot. People will have to go round the monument, observe the most significant details and then shoot. Sometime it will take much longer (if they can go inside, for example), but sometime it may be faster, for *very simple* monuments. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com

In the past Wiki takes in the Netherlands we had a lot of "grachtenpanden" which basicly means a lot of the standard houses. Our routes consisted out of 70-250 monuments each (with the 250 monuments being streets where every house is a monuments, so there is not really a walking distance) Some participants in the past have completed these 250 monuments routes in ca. 2 ours, taking over 100 pictures an hour. Other participants indeed visited 50 monuments in the same time frame. And when you want to go inside a big monument like a church that might even take you 30 minutes. The case studies at https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monument… show these differences. Andorra was more of a quality wiki takes, where 60 monuments spread around on a big area were photographed. Amsterdam on the other hand was more of a quantity wiki takes where 1000-1500 monuments were pictured (and no real walking distances.) But I believe its better to have a list with to many monuments, and that half way throught the list (this only works when all of the route is near the end point) you are out of time and finish there. That seems to be a better scenario then being finished after 30 minutes and having to wait at the end point for 2 ours (althought giving multiple rounds can solve that issue). BTW more case studies would be very welcome, very different wiki takes events took place, with different results and lessons to take into account when organizing a succesful Wiki takes. Mvg, Bas From: lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:47:56 +0200 To: wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] How to choose where to do a Wiki Takes? (was: Where to do a Wiki Takes?) it probably depends a lot on the kind of monuments you're expecting :) If you're in a city neighborhood, like Amsterdam, with many monuments packed together, there's only really one side to photograph the monument from. All you can really do there, is make sure no people/trees are in the way (and the 'snapshots' are possibly the best you can get). But of course the more spacious and the more angles are possible, the more time you will need. So basically the lesson then would be: don't try to listen to other countries when determining the length, but just use your common sense and knowledge of the local situation :P Lodewijk 2012/6/28 Nicu Buculei <nicubunu(a)gmail.com> On 06/28/2012 12:02 PM, Lodewijk wrote: good points! I think the 3/4 rule is a bit too general. A better approach is to add 45 seconds for each monument to the walking time. It depends a lot on the monument density (has this word ever been used outside Wikimedia context?) how much extra time people need. 45 seconds? No way! you need to plan at least 5 minutes for each, unless the desired result is a mere snap shot. People will have to go round the monument, observe the most significant details and then shoot. Sometime it will take much longer (if they can go inside, for example), but sometime it may be faster, for *very simple* monuments. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu

I think it is simply a matter of choise. Please do realize we didn't force the photographers to walk faster, we were just being realistic to what you can expect someone to spend time on. To be honest, expecting someone to stand still for more than 30s for each grachtenpand in Amsterdam is a bit unrealistic. There are simply too many of them. Also, please note that we did have 5 or 6 routes already, each of then with 150-250 monuments on them. Often a whole block of houses could be monumental. And still we covered only a fraction of the total. It is a matter of focus on super quality (which this perhaps didn't achieve) and coverage of many monuments without any photo (which we were successful at). In my humble opinion I think all monuments got the attention they needed to get a decent/good quality picture. They were not snapshots from a moving car. Yes, you can also focus on super quality - but then you need a different target group (only people with expensive cameras allowed) and you need to pick the monuments who are suitable for that. Grachtenpanden from Amsterdam in the middle of the day are not likely to give super quality photos under any condition. Lodewijk 2012/6/28 Strainu <strainu10(a)gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 02:14:13PM +0300, Strainu wrote: Hi Strainu, As Lodewijk explained, you really need to know the local situation. These are streets in Amsterdam, were all buildings a basically a big block of buildings are all monuments. You can't go to the back, the sides are not visible, so really the only thing you can do is make a picture of the front, probably standing, and do the next. Sometimes it might make sense to make some extra pictures of details, but mostly not. Su yes, the only split you can make is somebody doing the left site, and somebody else the right site, although there is often even only water on one side. Regards, Andre