As I understand it (but I'm not technical, so for
details and
contradictions I refer to our tech wizards ;-) ) it would not be easy to
let the wizard have access to the database too. However, if we can
include the identifier only, then it would already be possible to
afterwards go through the uploads with a bot and make all the other
changes based on the database! (basically the same, but with a slight delay)
I really hope there is some kind of access to the monuments database,
otherwise everything will seem to be a bit "blind"... for instance, the
template {{IGESPAR}} at commons will accept an ID and a classification
(which is available throught the DB).
Even if access to DB is not direct, it could be done with dynamic
(AJAX-style) queries to the toolserver (I believe) so the form would be
automatically filled anyway. This is especially relevant if someone will
upload *from* Commons and not from the monuments lists...
But I can antecipate some difficulties, yes... I'm sure Maarten will
negotiate the best possible.
-NT
I like the idea of having links from the articles
as well. At WMP we
spent some time crossing the list with the article links and commons
category, so we should know exactly which articles really exist (for the
objects on the list). This way we could run through all and put a simple
template just to say "Upload photos for this article and win prizes!",
something like that (this is obviously an exaggeration).
Having the link in the table seems possible as well, at least for those
who compiled the lists with a template, as recommended.
Great work Hubert!
--
Nuno Tavares
Wikimedia Portugal
http://www.wikimedia.pt
Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que
estamos a fazer.
Participe também:
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Hubert escreveu:
Am 21.07.2011 14:49, schrieb Lodewijk:
> Hi Hubert,
>
> thanks a lot for the clarification. I did not mean to suggest the
bigger
> picture was less important, it definitely is
worth going after! It
> sounds great what you are all doing, I have so little to add to
it. It
is only
that I wanted to be sure about a few things because it is
relevant for European coordination, hence :)
dear Lodewijk,
for me, an european coordination is essential. but not just for WLM,
even for any other picture-Contest ever happen, or happen in an
european
public context. We want all pictures, which are
made in such
competitions in future. :-)
> Uploading directly linked from the monument lists sounds like
walhalla!
Look here, there is a small table (it is just a testsituation since
yesterday!!), where you can see three icons below "Standort":
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:AleXXw/Test/2
with one Click, (commons-icon) you can upload your photo (if you
have an
account), If you don´t have an account, then you
will first be
prompted
to create one.
All informations which belong to this property will be transfered
with a
link to commons, including the spatial data, Name
of the Objekt,
adress,
and additionally an object ID. So, the uploading
is extremely simple.
Just select the foto, an send it. Thats all. We are even thinking
about
to handover the short description of this objekt
(if there is an
description).
Because there are already a lot of articles to individual objects,
it is
conceivable that even in articles to objects, we
can makes a
direct link
to upload pictures. Fixed with similar
specifications, so that it is
extremlely easy for new User to take part.
During this process, all pictures from this property will also be
correctly categorized inside commons (should be), so we can
separate it
easily for the contest itself.
Later then, there will be a link inside the tables to see all/more
pictures of this particular object in Commons. (like: Object in
Commons)
Just with one Click. Like this:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Palais_Pallavicini?uselang=de
This is our plan for this Year. Next year maybe it is possible to
participate to WLM2012 directly from OSM, because we would like to
transfer all our 36.000 Objekts to OpenStreeMap. Maybe even to
GoogleMaps and BingMaps.
In all cases, partipicants will come first to our lists (or articles),
then to the upload-form.
Next Year! Or the following two :-)
regards
Hubertl
> Lodewijk
>
> 2011/7/21 Hubert <hubert.laska(a)gmx.at
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>
>
>
> Am 21.07.2011 14:00, schrieb Lodewijk:
> > Hi Hubert,
> >
> > thanks a lot for this report. It sounds like an exciting
cooperation!
> >
> > However, it is not entirely clear to me how big the overlap is
> with the
> > Wiki Loves Monuments contest - in any case I love to hear about
> it, but
> > just to make sure we are on one line. Will the WLM contest
in
Austria
> > also be throughout the whole month
September, also have a jury
> > delivering nominations before November 1, and awarding
prizes on
> > national level?
>
> Hi Lodewijk,
>
> WLM is the central point of all our efforts in Austria for
the next
> months, it has its own website (as in
Germany and in other
countries)
> WLM is supported throughout by all
Wikipedians in Austria.
>
> The last point, jury and prize award is much more the work and
> responsibility of Wikimedia Austria. For most Wikipedians in
Austria,
> this everything around will have no
significance.
>
>
> We will go so far that uploading photos for WLM can also be
performed
> directly from the the monument lists,
directly from the
> object, which allows automatically the assigning of every
photo with
the
> individual objekt-ID. During september
(and before), all
efforts go
> directly into the Wiki loves monuments
projekt. But, we are
looking
> further.
>
> The monument lists are completed right now in Austria to 98%.
We will
> finish all Lists until the end of August,
so that we can use
it as one
> starting point for WlM. And not the lists
only, even the related
> Community-articles and related Articles.
>
> These additional agreements with the Federal Heritage Office
also
serve
> Wikipedia and Commons as an important
tool to become part of the
> Austrian education system.
>
> For me personally, WLM is just one part of a much bigger
idea. But
very
> impressive in its very special momentum.
>
> Hubertl
>
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Lodewijk
> >
> > 2011/7/21 Hubert <hubert.laska(a)gmx.at
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> <mailto:hubert.laska@gmx.at
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> >
> > First report for Austria:
> >
> > The project Wiki Loves monument takes place simultaneously
> with their
> > own efforts for the acquisition of Austrias cultural
heritage
in
> > Wikipedia. The Dehio-project was
started in Austria in
> December 2009,
> > but the systematic recording of the objects starts this
year
> on a larger
> > scale. Particularly noteworthy is that there are about
80 to
100
> > austrian Wikipedians who
contribute to this project
(lists of
> > monuments).
> >
> > Cooperation with the Federal Monuments Office
(Bundesdenkmalamt)
> >
> > A delegation of Wikipedians Wikimedia Austria, have brought
> about a
> > far-reaching cooperation with the Federal Heritage
Office of
> Austria.
> >
> > This cooperation involves several steps, the period of the
> collaboration
> > is intended to be permanent.
> >
> > Wikipedia and Wikimedia Austria are officially a partner of
> the Federal
> > Monuments Office for at first two photo contests (National
> Heritage Day
> > and International Heritage Photographic Experience.)
> >
> > The Federal Heritage Office itself supports the
monument
list
> team of
> > Wikipedia in extensive form with the corresponding data
for
36 000
> > objects of all listed properties
in Austria.
> >
> > Especially with regard to the annual update of all content.
> This allows
> > Wikipedia to create monument lists for all
municipalities in
> Austria to
> > create these lists and to actualize those lists in
short
term
> to bring
> > them up to date automatically to a great extent.
> >
> > The following two photo contests were discussed and
agreement
> reached.
> >
> > 1. The Heritage Day - especially the photo competition
for
the
> day,
> > which takes place annually on the last Sunday in September.
> >
> > 2. IHPE - International Heritage Photographic Experience.
> (Beginning in
> > October 2011 to March 2012)
> >
> > The Heritage Day
> >
> > The European Heritage Days are a Community Action under the
> patronage of
> > the Council of Europe and the European Commission and will
> take place
> > this year for the 25th Time in a now 50 member
countries.
The
> event
> > itself runs throughout September in Europe, in Austria
on the
last
> > Sunday of the month. The core of
the Heritage Day for
Austria
> will be
> > the accessibility of listed buildings with guided
tours,
which are
> > usually not publicly accessible.
More important, we should
> also yield
> > because of the photo.
> >
> >
> > International Heritage Photographic Experience
> >
> > The second agreemanent is also under the auspices of the
> Council of
> > Europe standing photo contest for young person under 21
years
> by the
> > Federal Monuments Office for the 7th Times for Austria
and
is
> generally
> > dedicated to the cultural heritage. Overall, it is the 16th
> > competition. The website of the organizers based in
Catalonia
> > (Generalitat de Catalunya, Museo
d'Historia de Catalunya)
> shows the 14
> > Competition and pictures of the final event in Strasbourg.
> >
> > The purpose of this competition will be photos of all
36 000
> monuments
> > which are listed in the Wikipedia lists of monuments, which
> can then be
> > assigned directly by id-numbers, corresponding to the
respective
> > objects. All these photos become
part of Wikimedia Commons.
> >
> > Overall, young people from 50 countries participate in this
> event, with
> > each country organizes the competition on their own and
> perform - as
> > well as the selection of the winning photos -, which then
> opens into a
> > common, printed catalog, which is produced in Barcelona. At
> the end of
> > each year, a large final event (this year on 6 December
2011
> at the
> > Palais de l'Europe in Strasbourg), which is
simultaneously the
> start of
> > the last part of a years contest, because in March, 31,
2012
> is the
> > closing for upload images for the previous content.
> >
> > All photos, which are made in these competitions in Austria
> are part
> > of Wikimedia Commons.
> >
> > Other projects
> >
> > MEMORIAL place of learning is the cultural exchange
program
of the
> > Federal Monuments Office.
> >
> > "The goal is to learn together with teachers and
students
> know the
> > areas of Monument, Monument Protection and Conservation, to
> explore and
> > experience. Whether through projects, workshops or
tours -
in
> the center
> > of the monument are a place of learning and exploration
> exploration of
> > our cultural heritage in the living environment of
children
and
> > adolescents. The meeting opened
with monuments young
creative
> freedom
> > and develops a variety of talents, so that perception and
> appreciation
> > for cultural products can grow. "
> >
> > - Federal Monuments Office, Andrea Böhm
> >
> > Another project - currently standing in the development
phase
> - is so
> > called "monument in the village" This action helds place in
> Austria's
> > schools and communities to discover and to motivate people
> documenting
> > their own cultural environment and is expected to start in
> spring 2012.
> >
> > Wikipedia will also be part of this project, because it is
> directly
> > related to the Wikipedia article-work and part of the
> monuments lists
> > themselves.
> >
> > What is the benefit for Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons?
> >
> > All taken pictures which have been taken through the years
> during all
> > events are on some hard drives and are not used for public
> use. All the
> > pictures from this events for the next few years, will
be
part of
> > Wikimedia Commons under a free
license given,
Cc-by-sa-3.0 AT.
> This is
> > determined by us, the Federal Monuments Office supports
this
> idea and
> > implement it explicitly. The same also applies for all
> photographs that
> > are done for the day of the memorial. These photos are
part
of
> Wikimedia
> > Commons, equally as the photos for Wiki Loves monument.
> >
> > Both photo projects aimed at young people primarily -
but
not
> only - in
> > order to bring the idea of protecting cultural heritage
> values. The
> > Federal Monuments Office will launch in schools and other
> institutions
> > in total 137 000 folders, and all interested
participants
will
> be guided
> > to upload to the website of Wikipedia and Wikimedia
Commons.
> >
> > Wikipedians will also participate in the jury
(pre-judging /
> ev. Main
> > panel) for all contests, listen above.
> >
> > Greetings Hubertl (de:wikipedia)
> >
> >
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