Hi Josephine! Would it not be possible to set up a customizing table that enables users to set the property used in a specific country for monuments? The WLM ID is only used by countries that don't have their own monument ID and is not commonplace. Even if you started copying monument IDs to the WLM ID, you'd have to run a daily job to check if those two IDs are still in sync. BR, Philip On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 at 11:05, Kimmo Virtanen <kimmo.virtanen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Correction: We are only using the PT prefix for IDs attributed for WMPT. When it's the monument ID, we give a prefix related to the ID used: SIPA, DGPC, etc. To descomplicate things, we are now simply using PT- QXXX (example: PT-Q99463700) for listed monuments not having a specific or clear monument ID. Best, Paulo Paulo Santos Perneta <paulosperneta(a)gmail.com> escreveu no dia quinta, 29/04/2021 à(s) 12:56:

I think this would need a property mapping a contest with the used identifiers (basically, that table but in wikidata form). So for instance,"Wiki Loves Monuments 2021 Sweden" could be defined as including the "listed building in Sweden (Q328070)" and the "listed historical ship in Sweden (Q16501309)", which use P1260 and P2317 identifiers respectively (whereas a few years earlier, maybe only Q328070 were included). Cheers

Hi Maarten, Just to say I strongly disagree on your characterisation of the use of this ID as a "hack" and that it should be actively discouraged. Not all countries are as fortunate as others, and having comprehensive coverage of all the relevant sites on Wikipedia with unique identifiers from state bodies is a massive hurdle to overcome for many of us. Assuming that the whole world can meet you at the standard you are accustomed to is incredibly unfair, and dismisses the difficulties many countries face in this regard. In the Irish context we have found the P2186 a very neat solution to a systemic issue we face regarding data on Irish monuments and other listed buildings, and in the 4 years since we started using those IDs with Monumental, it has not only facilitated a huge amount of participation, but the Irish system has not been updated to a point that we have another system of unique IDs to fall back on. And this is an EU country with supposedly all the benefits that that entails. An alternative "scalable solution" has yet to otherwise manifest. Fair enough if you don't like a particular system of IDs, but I don't think completely writing it off is fair on those for whom it has been incredibly useful. Rebecca On Tue, 4 May 2021 at 22:40, Maarten Dammers &lt;maarten(a)mdammers.nl&gt; wrote: -- PhD in Digital Media Project Coordinator Wikimedia Community Ireland <http://wikimedia.ie> Vice Chair of Women in Technology and Science <https://witsireland.com/> Secretary of the National Committee for Commemorative Plaques in Science and Technology She/Her

Hi all, Thank you all for the input and suggestions! I just want to note that this feature isn't a one-time thing that we intend to implement and then just forget about - the intention is to get a minimum viable product up in time for this year's WLM, and then we will see how it can be improved upon for future iterations. Philip - I think a customizing table would be a great idea for experienced contributors, however for new contributors I'm not sure if they even know what a Wikidata property is, let alone which one to set. If we ask them which country they are in and then automatically fill in the property for them, that would work, however that is a big project all on its own and unfortunately we do not have the time to get this additional enhancement done in time for this year's WLM. We do however intend to have an option in v3.1 (the same version that WLM integration is planned for) that allows experienced users to manually modify the SPARQL query used by the app if they wish, so that can be used as a workaround for the time being. :) Magnus - I love this idea! I think the benefits would exceed the downsides, from the app's perspective anyway. Unfortunately everyone on our core team is only familiar with Android development and not tool development. If a volunteer would like to take this up, we would be more than happy to collaborate with them on it. Probably we cannot use it this year since we have only two months left before we need to release this feature in beta, but for next year I think it could be doable. This might be a good idea for a GSoC project too. Maarten - Yes, we are just trying to query Wikidata for items in the competition, so we can show them on our map with a special designation. I'm curious about P1435 - if it is used as the criteria, wouldn't you get a lot of natural heritage areas that aren't monuments? For instance in Australia the Great Barrier Reef has P1435 because it is a World Heritage Site, but it's not a monument (or is it still considered a monument for WLM purposes?). Also, it seems like P1435 also does not work in some countries - e.g. Sweden and Ireland, based on the discussion above. Regardless, we are happy to go with either P1435 or P2186 (or even both), whichever the majority of the community prefers. Best regards, Josephine On Wed, 5 May 2021 at 09:28, Rebecca O'Neill &lt;rebeccanineil(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

Hi Jean-Frédéric, Thanks for the links! I experimented with WLM-Monumental for a bit, and it seems that it does indeed display natural heritage sites and natural reserves as well (which is the concern that I mentioned in my previous email). For instance, searching around my area, I get https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8023299 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q65099475 in addition to other actual monuments. If this is intended behaviour, we are more than happy to go with P1435. Best regards, Josephine On Thu, 6 May 2021 at 01:51, Jean-Frédéric &lt;jeanfrederic.wiki(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

Hi, My 2 cents: if some countries want to keep using the "fake" ID of P2186 as an easy-no-brainy solution, why not... But this feels in no way a desirable long-term solution. And sorry to be blunt but, it seems to me to be a very bad idea to force P2186 when there is a real official external identifier. Especially as most countries don't use P2186, it would be really a lot of work to put a P2186 on everything eligible for WLM. For perspective: P2186 is used right now on only 134k items, for France alone we had 200k buildings and 280k objects in WLM 2020, so you need to multiply almost by 5 the use of this property just to integrate France this doesn't seem realistic. I feel like that there is no choice for the app other to do a careful selection of pairs of properties and values. It should include but not be limited to P2186 and P1435 (not with all possibles values, again selection is needed), all properties on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:Cultural_heritage_properties should be included and as Rebecca mentionned P5817 would be very useful too (sadly this property is widely underused). Cheers, ~nicolas Le ven. 7 mai 2021 à 13:06, Rebecca O'Neill &lt;rebeccanineil(a)gmail.com&gt; a écrit :