Hi Illia, Thanks for your email. Family members of the jury members are definitely a tricky terrain. If your rules stated that family members of jury members cannot take part, I think it is totally valid to disqualify these images. So first of all: yes, of course national rules can be more elaborate than the international rules. This is quite common actually - for example, several chapter give out 'Special Awards' or take other national issues in consideration. Conflict of Interest is one of these. Secondly, what qualifies as a family member, is a cultural question - this is something you should probably consider in the Ukrainian context. I personally definitely would consider it a family member, but I'm not very Ukrainian. It becomes more tricky with nephews etc. Thirdly you ask if the organizing committee can overrule the jury - now this is a really tricky one. Again there is some cultural background here probably. I'm used to a situation where the jury is considered the neutral body to make final decisions regarding prizes, and nobody would come up with an idea to overrule the jury, unless there are legal reasons or rules that require that. But in another country, it might very well be common to let the jury only be responsible for ranking, and then the organizers make the formal decision. This is something that is probably to be determined by your rules. I hope this helps. Best, Lodewijk 2013/11/1 Ilya Korniyko <intracer(a)gmail.com> _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

Почитав я цей діалог і мені стало дуже соромно, що я є членом цього оргкомітету... 2013/11/2 Tomasz Ganicz <polimerek(a)gmail.com> -- -- З повагою, Андрій Бондаренко _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

Тогда уж нужно было писать как есть, а не как вы смогли перевести на английский: "Family member" - "член семьи". А "родственник" - "relative". Relatives and friends - будет точнее. Но под термин "relative" можно подвести отношения не только родственников, но и друзей, знакомых, начальников, да мало ли кого. Конкретизируйте отношения, в которых состоят участник конкурса и член жури: имеют кровное родство, но являются членами разных семей, поскольку живут раздельно, в разных городах. И ещё, вы забыли написать, что я не являюсь матерью члену жури, а меня сняли с конкурса, поскольку я нахожусь в интимных отношениях с соавтором, который является кровным родственником члена жури. Так что найдите себе более грамотного переводчика, чтобы более точно излагать суть проблемы, а то запутаете иностранных коллег очень сильно, и, чего доброго, станете их посмешищем. Мы уже смеёмся до упаду, и мои родственники, пардон, relative, тоже. И где здесь место творчеству? По-моему вы никакого отношения к искусству фотографии не имеете, раз не с того конца оцениваете. Вспоминается диалог из фильма "Зеркало треснуло" с Элизабет Тейлор: - Вы были с ним в интимных отношениях? - В Голливуде все были друг с другом в интимных отношениях. Успехов в нелёгком деле выяснения отношений между участниками конкурса и членами жури! ------------------------------ 02.11.2013, 00:07, "Ilya Korniyko" <intracer(a)gmail.com>om>: Hi, Ukrainian organizing committe has trouble with one winner. In 2012 the chapter board set rules for Ukrainian part of the competition, which contains a point that organizing committe members, jury and their family members (I don't know how to translate precisely, and the correct word matters here) cannot take part in the competition. According to our rules places are determined by jury but organizing committee can disqualify works. This year we found out only after final jury round that second place is authored by one of jury member's father an his wife. While we have no direct objections that this choice was unfair or biased, we thougth that it would be difficult to understand by other people and may harm the contest reputation. We decided not give the prize from the chapter but to present this photo among 10 best to international competition and say that it was seconf by jury decision but authors were not given prizes due to violation of the rules as the organizing committe decided. Now the authors of this photo ask us questions 1) There is no prohibition in the international rules for jury members' family. Does our chapter have a right to add additional criterias? 2) Can a father be qualified as a family member? Is this a good criteria? 3) Is this ok for organizing committee to override jury decision in this case? Oranizing committe, the winner and jury member in question are in copy. Thank you, Illia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "wlm-ua" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to wlm-ua+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.