Hi WSC,
Hi Lodewijk,
I can see that there is a risk that a UK funded prize for images of monuments left over from the era of British rule could potentially be controversial. But we are a global movement and we can include people from India and elsewhere in the design and judging - I discussed this at the UK AGM with a British Gujurati and he thought it could be an interesting project. But I'll bcc bounce this by some of our colleagues in India and see what they think.
As for needing a database or a list, I'm not sure that is so essential. I'd like to see what happens when we ask people to photograph what they consider to be the monuments of their area. There should be less difficulty launching the scheme, and who knows we may get some overlooked gems.
WSC.
On 11 May 2012 10:35, Lodewijk <lodewijk@effeietsanders.org> wrote:
Hi WSC,Hi think there definitely will be some 'sensitivities' and I'd be personally very careful with awarding such prize unless all countries involved have an active community that actively support such prize (and of course only for those countries that participate anyway). However, no matter how you do it - somehow you will have to define what is a monument under whatever definition. Making up our own definition is very tricky and not something I'd suggest unless as a last resort.Lets try to focus on the model that we know that works as much as possible and scaling the regular contest to countries - note that even for the UK at this point it is unclear whether it can participate (as I understand the current status) simply because there are no volunteers who are willing to pull the contest off. I much rather see UK, India, USA and Bangladesh participate as individual countries than that we have some extra category about an Empire (with all its sensitivities and PR risks) and not have those countries participate 'for real'.Best,Lodewijk2012/5/11 WereSpielChequers <werespielchequers@gmail.com>
I'm assuming it refers to stuff built in those countries whilst they were part of the Portuguese empire. Much of that will be well out of copyright as the Portuguese Empire peaked centuries ago.
I think it would be sensible to do something similar for the British Empire, but with the slight issue that as the Empire covered a quarter of the globe less than seventy years ago there will be some stuff that is still in copyright.
I'll ask the UK chapter by cc if they'd be willing to fund a prize for "monumental legacy of the British Empire" - obviously there may be some sensitivities on this so any suggestions as to how not to do this would be appreciated. But potentially this could give a participation route for people in large parts of the world that might not otherwise be covered by WLM.
I'm thinking along the lines of:
No target database.
Anyone may enter.
Any image loaded to Commons in Sept 2012 would qualify, provided it is of a building or monument built during the era of British rule in a former part of the British Empire.
Entry would be done by adding a hidden category to the article [[:category:WLM 2012 - monumental legacy of the British Empire]]
I guess the UK itself should be excluded.
WSCOn 11 May 2012 09:39, Cristian Consonni <kikkocristian@gmail.com> wrote:2012/5/10 Nicolas VIGNERON <vigneron.nicolas@gmail.com>:
> 2012/5/10 Vicenç Riullop <vriullop@hotmail.com>:I'm not getting what this "Portuguese Empire monuments" means...
>> These is very interesting, Nuno. I am curious about Portuguese monuments in
>> Espanha and Itália :-) Is the registrant official? Say, a reliable source?
>> You could create an international list of Portuguese monuments abroad (maybe
>> Brazil is a special case). Then it could be shared in other languages,
>> regardless if there is any special prize or not.
>>
>> Vicenç
>
> There is more or less the same thing for France.
>
> Some territories where once inside the French colonial empire but are
> not anymore. In the meantime (roughly beetween 1840 and 1940), some
> monuments were officialy protected. Obviously, they're no more
> official nowadays (except if the local gouvernement decide to
> re-protect them by itself).
>
> Eg. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_monuments_historiques_des_d%C3%A9partements_fran%C3%A7ais_d%27Alg%C3%A9rie
It means that these monuments are under the control of the Portuguese
embassy? Are we free to photograph them?
In Italy, for Italian monuments (sic), one should ask a permission to
take a photo of a monument and release to the public (for instance
with a CC-BY-SA). This permission can be granted by local
Sovrintendenze (the government). Is the situation for the 4 monuments
indicated above in some way different?
Cristian
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