I think that case would not be so problematic, in my opinion (the 1st place is the &quot;real&quot; winner). But like you say, the criteria used can be different, and if we make that clear from the beginning, in the rules, etc., people will have to accept that there would be, in fact, 2 different competitions, with different results.<div>
<br></div><div>Susana<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/4/6 Lodewijk <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:lodewijk@effeietsanders.org">lodewijk@effeietsanders.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Would the third ending up higher than the second be a problem too, then? <div><br></div><div>(to be clear: I wouldn&#39;t have a problem with either situation, since like Nuno says, there are many factors. Even the exact criteria used by the jury will differ on European level compared to for example the Portuguese jury).<br>
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<div><br></div><div>Lodewijk</div></font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/4/6 Susana Morais <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:susana.morais@wikimedia.pt" target="_blank">susana.morais@wikimedia.pt</a>&gt;</span><br>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;border-collapse:collapse">The 2nd of a country ending up higher than the 1st in the European Competition is in fact a problem. Maybe there could be 2 different groups. Maybe the european jury could decide between the 1st ones from each country (resulting in a overall winner - for each category), and they could also decide between the rest (2nd and 5th place in each category, for example).</span></div>




<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse"><br></span></font></div><font color="#888888"><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse">Susana</span></font></div>



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<div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/4/6 Raul Kern <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:raunator@gmail.com" target="_blank">raunator@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">




Hoi.<br>
Is there a &quot;Topics/Agenda&quot; wiki page for the May workshop?<br>
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Raul Kern<br>
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2011/4/5 Lodewijk &lt;<a href="mailto:lodewijk@effeietsanders.org" target="_blank">lodewijk@effeietsanders.org</a>&gt;:<br>
</font><div>&gt; In any case, I think this is a perfect topic to decide on in the May<br>
&gt; workshop, so lets keep that as a deadline, but discussions are of course<br>
&gt; welcome here.<br>
&gt; Best, Lodewijk<br>
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