Hello all,
I have some questions. For the WLM competition we will ask the participant
to upload the photo with the ID number (he has previously seen in that great
list we have in our site :)). Then the photo will be automatically (?)
tagged under a specific sub-cat in this category
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_from_Wiki_Loves_Monuments…,
right? Do the categories need to be more specific for the competition (this
doenst mean we shouldnt be thinking how to organize them better after the
wlm)? I think that it is easier during the WLM to have all photos in the
competition in one simple category (easier for the jury).
In principle the functional categories now setup are not only for this
competition. People can always upload pictures of monuments, we should
always motivate them to upload with an ID, and put them in the correct
categories based on that.
Secondly the special uploadform put the pictures in a wlm-specific category
to be able to see which pictures were uploaded for the competition. The
special upload form for WLM last year put pictures in that one via a
template. The form is still active for people who want to easily upload
monument pictures, only it doesn't include the wlm template anymore.
Regards,
Andre
Susana
2011/8/3 Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com>
> B?ria,
> The key here is the word "monument". In order for a WLM participant to
> upload a photo based on local instructions, he needs an ID number.
> Presumeably he/she has found this number from your wonderful Portuguese map
> with ID coordinates on your WLM website, am I right?
>
> In the Netherlands, some (not ALL) Rijksmonuments have the number
> physically on a brown plaque on the building itself. What do you call this
> number? I assume you do not call it "Cultural heritage monument number".
In
> order to match it to either the IGESPAR or SIPA numbers you will need to
> have a key in the ID number, won't you?
>
> I noticed the following situation:
>
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Campo_Pequeno_Lisboa
> is tagged with the template {{IGESPAR|74571|type=IIP}}
> I would therefore expect to see this category have photo's tagged with this
> same number, but for example,
>
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Campo_Pequeno_lisbon.JPG
> is not tagged.
> I would expect the category to be placed in a category called
> "Category:IGESPAR objects in Lisbon (district)", but I see the category
> "Category:Im?veis de Interesse P?blico in Lisbon (district)" instead.
>
> I suppose the template sub-tag "IIP" stands for "Im?veis de
Interesse
> P?blico", so I get that you have broken your designations down by type, but
> I am curious how you will instruct the jury to choose foto's if the photo's
> themselves are not tagged. Though my Portuguese is pretty bad, I think the
> (spectacular) pictures of the bulls themselves, which are also in that
> category are not "Im?veis".
>
> Jane
>
> 2011/8/3 B?ria Lima <beria.lima(a)wikimedia.pt>
>
>> We have lists outside IGESPAR. The IGESPAR one has 4K monuments, the SIPA
>> one almost 40K. We are using both.
>> _____
>> *B?ria Lima*
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>>
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>>
>>
>> On 3 August 2011 08:39, Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> B?ria,
>>> Maybe I am just too unfamiliar with the technicalities, but my feeling
>>> would be yes, stuff all 4 categories into "IGESPAR objects in Portugal
with
>>> known IDs". Under this toplevel, there should be for example, a
category
>>> called "Monumentos Nacionais with known IDs".
>>>
>>> Is there a problem with the WLM database that you can't have
>>> subcategories for the top-level ones? Or do you mean that you have lists
>>> outside of IGESPAR?
>>>
>>> Jane
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/8/2 B?ria Lima <beria.lima(a)wikimedia.pt>
>>>
>>>> Portugal can't use a single name. We have 4 types of monuments (
see
>>>> here:
>>>>
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011_in_Port…).
>>>>
>>>> We can create 4 "main categories", but they would still need
to be under
>>>> a "Cultural Heritage in Portugal" category.
>>>> _____
>>>> *B?ria Lima*
>>>> Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt>
>>>> (351) 963 953 042
>>>>
>>>> *Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
>>>> livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano. ? isso o que
>>>> estamos a fazer.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2 August 2011 11:11, Kilian Kluge <kilian(a)k-kluge.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jane,
>>>>>
>>>>> in Germany the trouble is that in every state there are different
names
>>>>> for essentially the same thing. Some just have
"Kulturdenkmale" (cultural
>>>>> heritage monuments), some have "Baudenkmale"
("building heritage
>>>>> monuments"), some have both, some differentiate between three
or four
>>>>> categories... It's already a bit confusing on de-wp, where as a
result the
>>>>> lists for each state have different naming schemes, and I doubt that
it'd be
>>>>> helpful to carry this to Commons.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kilian
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Jane Darnell
<jane023(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> I am sending out a new message, since I feel this issue is
pretty
>>>>>> important and impacts a lot of Wikipedia projects. The other
issues that Bas
>>>>>> addressed also need follow up, but let's tackle these
categories first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the list of categories as they stand today on Commons in
the
>>>>>> top level category (see the email from Bas):
>>>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Andorra with known IDs
>>>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Austria with known IDs
>>>>>> Category:Onroerend erfgoed with known IDs
>>>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Brussels with known IDs
>>>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Estonia (with known
IDs)
>>>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Hesse with known ID
>>>>>> Category:Rijksmonumenten with known IDs
>>>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Portugal with known IDs
>>>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Romania with known IDs
>>>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Spain with known IDs
>>>>>> Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Wallonia with known IDs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think only the Belgians and the Dutch have chosen their names
well,
>>>>>> because they are using the terms that are covered by law in
their country.
>>>>>> The other categories should be renamed to reflect the legal term
in those
>>>>>> countries. My reasons are as follows:
>>>>>> 1) The term "Cultural heritage monument" is not
defined anywhere, in
>>>>>> any country's wikipedia.
>>>>>> 2) We are using a formal designation that has been assigned by
a
>>>>>> government agency and is covered by the European Council's
international law
>>>>>> on cultural property. In order to refer to the proper
designation, we need
>>>>>> the formal name of the designation.
>>>>>> 3) The sub categories are going to have native names anyway, so
why
>>>>>> have a strangely named top-level category that no one
understands (including
>>>>>> English-speakers)?
>>>>>> 4) When we make interwiki links to these things we should be
>>>>>> consistent across all countries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I noticed a confusing situation has already occurred in the
German
>>>>>> Wikipedia, where the top level category for the Austrian
monuments is
>>>>>> "Kategorie:Liste (Kulturdenkmale in ?sterreich)", when
I fully expected it
>>>>>> to be "Kategorie:Denkmalgesch?tztes Objekte". On
Commons I would expect
>>>>>> "Category:Denkmalgesch?tztes Objekte with known IDs",
and in the
>>>>>> English Wikipedia, I named it "Category:Denkmalgesch?tztes
Objekte".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jane
>>>>>>
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