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Thankfully the upload interface is in English based on my user settings in my profile (having a userid on Commons is a requirement for eligibility in the contest).

How do WLM participants upload files for other countries? Do they need to fish out this two letter suffix to the link on their own or do we put that in the storyboard also? As far as the storyboard goes, maybe we need to include the original storyboard as an option (the original upload form is of course also always available) and *conclude* with a storyboard how they can confirm that their uploaded picture is (or will be?) categorized.

Jane

2011/8/21 Andre Koopal <andre@molens.org>

On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 09:58:12AM +0200, Jane Darnell wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Jane,

> I just uploaded a file with the new upload wizard and I tried to see
> Romaine's problem but couldn't.

Personally I don't see the problems at all, I think it will work fine
for the target audience and, because you can more easy upload multiple
files, also work for the more experienced user.

>
> As I see it, this is simply a copy of our current upload wizard, with the
> monument ID field added. Is this correct? If so, I miss the storyboard,
> which I suppose is our responsibility to create. Or are we not going to
> include a WLM storyboard for the WLM upload?

I do think it might help to have a storyboard, but not sure if hiding of
that will work per campaign or overall.

>
> My other issue is with the confusing pre-selected field about "I, [name],
> the uploader...", since the license is part of our basic instructions I
> really don't think we need to bother about this at all. We want to cut out
> every non-necessary step, since each extra step means the potential loss of
> a WLM uploader. This field appears edittable, and it should not even be
> shown at all. Everything for WLM is CC-by-SA 3.0, and if not, well, sorry
> about that mistake, but who cares? Theoretically these mistakes will
> eventually be picked up by somebody in the normal "Wikimedia Commons way".

I think this step should remain in, but it should be more clear that this
is a 'confirmation step', so like 'yes, I do want to give it under this
licence'. It should be clear what the edit field is for.

>
> I like it that you can add extra categories in the upload wizard, but I am
> asking myself if this is really necessary, since we will autocategorize
> everything. As others have pointed out, the more experienced users can
> always click on the file and add categories with hotcat, or even use
> Commonist. The category structure on Commons is confusing at best, and I
> really don't want to send our WLM participants down that road at all.

As this is hidden behind an 'optional' button, I don't think this is a
problem, leave it in for those that want to use it.

>
> What I really want to know is if the category check is done immediately for
> the number; because otherwise, what happens to those wrong numbers? I think
> the user should be offered a chance to say "Yes, this is town X" or at least
> "Yes, this is country X". It is also nice for the user to have some kind of
> confirmation that the file is eligible for the contest, since the two
> useability links produced at the end do not indicate this at all.

As said before, the uploadform doesn't have database access, so this is
as far as I know not possible. We also didn't see lots of problems with
it last year.

Regards,

Andre

>
> Jane
>
> 2011/8/20 Siebrand Mazeland <s.mazeland@xs4all.nl>
>
> > > I have too little time for this and I am already overworked. I expect
> > > when I use an uploadwizard that it makes it more easy for me to upload,
> > > this uploadwizard makes it harder with less possibilities and no easyness
> > > at all what I should expect from a "wizard". Just cutting the uploadform
> > > in pieces doesn't make it easier. It has also been made more difficult
> > > with too much intollerance.
> > >
> > > For now my last reply in this subject, I just wanted to make clear that
> > > the current wizard isn't working as it should be for an official contest.
> > > I hope an adjusted normal uploadform would be available just as it was
> > > with the edition in 2010.
> > >
> > > Greetings - Romaine
> >
> > It's too bad that you are not making an effort to point out exactly what
> > is wrong, but are stating it does not meet your expectations or standards
> > twice, that are, mind you, not written down anywhere.
> >
> > Without clarification, your objections are unsubstantial.
> >
> > Siebrand
> >
> >
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