Hi,

when we phrased that, we had in mind to keep many options open :) You could define "winner" also as "top 10". 

I do agree it makes sense to define it before August, because participants (and local juries) need to know what they are up to. And it is not really a hard thing, just a decision - in the end the outcome of that decision is not that big of a deal. 

Basically, I think a top-X (with X being some number higher than 0)  would make sense to submit to a European contest. Since all will be high quality probably, it would make sense to try keep the number somewhat low (<10-15) but also it makes some sense to make it higher than 1, because sometimes the runner ups are very close. 

If we allow no. 2-X in the competition though, realize this might give an odd situation where no. 2 of a country ends up higher than no. 1 in the European competition - this could be interpreted as a slap on the fingers of the national jury (bad decision). Would that be acceptable in all countries? 

In any case, I think this is a perfect topic to decide on in the May workshop, so lets keep that as a deadline, but discussions are of course welcome here. 

Best, Lodewijk

2011/4/5 Susana Morais <susana.morais@wikimedia.pt>
Well then, that says it all. The winners from each contest are eligible for the european contest. But since each country has its own rules, and the number of winners (from different categories) depends on those rules, it think Nuno has the best solution. Send 5 (i would go with only 5) from each category. Even if there are only 3 official local winners with a local prize, the 5 best will be considered to go to the european contest.

Susana

2011/4/5 Nuno Tavares <nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt>
Well, Maarten, I rather do it sooner, as we (all) still have to find a
national juri, and convince them to participate. And since the challenge
is in September, the sooner, the better ;) I predict that things will be
easier for this task, if we already have a draft of both national and
general rules.

In the Commons page it is said:
«
The European contest will be jury based competition for the best photo
of a monument where a European jury will select winners from nominees
taken from the winners of the national quality contests.
»

Like I said, it seems to me that "now" is a good moment to "worry" about
this :-)

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Maarten Dammers escreveu:
>  Hi everyone,
>
> All images eligible for a national competition are eligible for the
> European competition. How the European jury will implement this is up to
> them. In practice they will probably choose from the national winning
> images. To worry about the jury is on my list to do somewhere in August
> btw ;-)
>
> Maarten
>
> Op 5-4-2011 18:27, Santiago Navarro Sanz schreef:
>> Maybe 3 from each country? A number between 1 and 5 could be appropiated.
>>
>> Millars
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 17:14:46 +0100
>> From: susana.morais@wikimedia.pt
>> To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] how many photos from each country
>> will take part from European WLM
>>
>> I thought there would be only one picture submited to the european
>> contest, from each country.
>> But Nuno, what do you mean: 5 winners in a country, but 10 submissions
>> to the european contest?
>>
>> 2011/4/5 Nuno Tavares <nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt
>> <mailto:nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt>>
>>
>>     I think it makes sense to "reward" only, let's say, the 5 top winners
>>     (in whatever categories)... but consider 10 submissions to the
>>     European
>>     Juri (to categories that match).
>>
>>     --
>>     Nuno Tavares
>>     Wikimedia Portugal
>>     http://www.wikimedia.pt/
>>
>>
>>
>>     Bas vb escreveu:
>>     > I don't know if it's the best idea to just take the 10 or 20
>>     best from
>>     > all countries, or use other ways as well to get a shortlist.
>>     > In line with the dutch contest we should think about what with
>>     like 50
>>     > or 100.000 pictures (or maybe even a higher guess) as the top guess.
>>     > going to 12.000 pictures is a lot and you will miss some pretty good
>>     > pictures. going throught all countries is surely impossible i think.
>>     > Maybe other people outside of jurys as well might be an idea,
>>     and for
>>     > the rest maybe 20 pictures picked by the country juries.
>>     Althought it
>>     > seems weird to me if a picture finished fifth in a country and
>>     finishes
>>     > first in europe.
>>     >
>>     > Mvg,
>>     >
>>     > Bas
>>     >
>>     >> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 17:06:23 +0300
>>     >> From: raunator@gmail.com <mailto:raunator@gmail.com>
>>     <mailto:wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>     >> Subject: [Wiki Loves Monuments] how many photos from each
>>     country will
>>     > take part from European WLM
>>     >>
>>     >> Hallo,
>>     >>
>>     >> how many photos from each country will take part from European WLM
>>     > competition?
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >> --
>>     >> Raul Kern
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