In Estonia we have tried something like this: https://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipeedia:Wiki_Loves_Rephotography (and would repeat in on Commons images if we get the software ready for it by 2025) Maybe something on this area? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rephotography
As for WLM, we held our first in 2011 and last in 2015, as it no longer seemed worth repeating in 2016 (as without art moments, there are only ca 11k monuments, and most of them in more easily accessible locations had been photographed by then). No need to go on with having diminishing returns. Nevertheless, we plan to once more do it in 2024, as enough years have passed.
WLM has often been targeting wikipedians in many countries, so there have been obvious problems with the quality of the collected images, as people specialized on writing great articles are often not the same as the people who would take good photos. In our case, in 2011 it was already the 3rd photography competition, but in many countries, there have not been that many competing competitions, and for that reason there is limited possibility for comparison. So I'd recommend having more photography competitions as this is the best way of collecting more excellent images :P
Ivo Kruusamägi
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Hi,
For 2024, it's a bit too late already but I'm eager to hear ideas for 2025 (we actually talked a bit about it already in France)
In France, we are stuck around 80 % (like many countries according to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Monuments_database/Statistics ) and the last 20 % are :
- "recent" buildings still covered by copyright
- inaccessible buildings (private properties, destroyed, etc.)
I fear these 20 % are not really doable (and clearly it's neither easy nor fun) and it wouldn't make sense to focus on them.
For re-photography, it's a great idea. Could we have something to have a list of monuments that need to be re-photographed? (old and small size for instance).
Cheers, Nicolas
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Le dim. 2 juin 2024 à 17:58, Yaroslav Blanter ymbalt@gmail.com a écrit :
Hi Maarten,
I actually agree with Seddon. Our problem is not so much that we have almost all documents photographed, the problem is that the photographs often are of substandard quality, and every new edition of WLM would bring a large bunch of substandard photographs. Ideally, we would require (i) better quality or (ii) good quality, bigger size or (iii) different conditions (other location of the camera; winter vs summer; clear vs cloudy etc). However, I do not know how to formalize this and whether it can be formalized without repelling a lot of potential participants.
Best Yaroslav
On Sun, Jun 2, 2024 at 5:11 PM Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org wrote:
It would still be good to reach 100% coverage so I wonder if it's worth having a category for "best previously unphotographed" and then the one for "best refresh" where the new photo must either tell a new story about an monument with an existing photo, or must be a better overall composition than the existing monument.
On Sun, Jun 2, 2024, 14:25 Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl wrote:
Hi everyone,
As you probably know, Wiki Loves Monuments started in 2010 in the Netherlands, 2011 in Europe and 2012 worldwide (I was one of the main organizers for those years). We managed to get a lot of monuments photographed that didn't have a photo before. In the Netherlands we also got a large collection from the local heritage organization (see
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_from_the_Rijksdienst_voor... ). After that, we had some sequels in the Netherlands, but attention and numbers dropped as you can see at
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_from_Wiki_Loves_Monuments... .
In my opinion this is because Wiki Loves Monuments is suffering from the sequel problem: We keep repeating the same concept that worked really well in the past, but is a bit of a stale copy of what it used to be. Bit like movies where successful movies keep getting sequels. Of course this only applies to countries where WLM was done multiple times.
Just like movie franchises that have become a bit stale, we can go back to our basis and reinvent ourselves. Our basis is at
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Philosophy :
- Make it easy
- Make it fun
- Make it local
- Help Wikipedia
- Give quick and visible results
The coverage in the Netherlands is currently 90%. So if you compare it to the first years: It's not easy to find something to photograph, not much fun finding it, probably not local (already done), it's hard to help Wikipedia because it already has a photo and no quick and visible results.
I made a query at https://w.wiki/AGP5 to give a random sample of rijksmonumenten (monuments in the Netherlands) that have an image. Clicking through it I noticed that the majority of images (80%? 90%?) is of 10 years old. A lot has changed in 10 years: The monuments might have changed and camera quality improved a lot. So my idea for 2024: Let's focus on getting new images for monuments that currently have an old image. This would be like a reset where suddenly you'll have tons of monuments to photograph nearby. We would need to update some of our tooling to find monuments to photograph and to get them used, but let's worry about that later.
What do you think?
Maarten
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