2 May 2015 13:20

I was a bit surprised to learn that Wikimedia Commons files are only "valuable" if they are explicitly used to illustrate Wikipedia articles. Though of course that is important, there are lots and lots of Wikipedia articles that link out to Commons categories too. One of the most admirable parts of the whole WLM concept is the ability of the campaign wizard to pre-sort the image files into such categories for further categorization by volunteers. That time investment would be seen as having zero value, according to the article

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Samat

2 May 2015 13:09

I aggree with both of you, these are the main goals :)

(Personally I prefer Lodewijk's approach, I think community building and outreach is more important than simple content creation, at least for us.)

Samat

Lodewijk

2 May 2015 13:02

I think this is a clear demonstration that WLM is a diverse project :) You identify that having a picture for each monument is the main goal, but as you know I disagree with that: for me the competition is and will always be a tool to get more people on board, to get people aware of the fact they can contribute, and help them over the threshold. For many local competitions, it is more important however to use WLM as a community building tool. I have seen great outcomes in this field in the Middle East, where communities work together in real life for one of their first main projects, and after that continue to organize other activities as well.

Best,
Lodewijk

Romaine Wiki

2 May 2015 12:54

The focus of the evaluation is very much biased.

The focus is too much on money, it gives me a horrible feeling, the community/participants are not a factory plant in what every employee needs to work a minimum number of hours. The goal of Wiki Loves Monuments is to get all monuments with a good picture on Wikipedia, not just of the most popular or easy monuments. The first time a contest as such is organised the low hanging fruits are done first, but they forget to mention that getting the low hanging fruits is not the core goal of Wiki Loves Monuments. The goal of Wiki Loves Monuments is to get a photo of every monument. The more monuments get a picture, it becomes much harder to ge a picture of the other monuments. It are too much easy thoughts without thinking it through. It is failing in describing the actual situation and misses totally what Wiki Loves Monuments is about.

WMF has set some objectives for itself, and now the evaluate those objectives/goals, even while Wiki Loves Monuments has a different focus.

To me the evaluation is a signal that WMF is too far away from the actual community.

Romaine